Bald and Bold

I feel good can't stop loving I feel nice when my [Music] heart Happy New Year when happy New Year Mike roty okay you still you still want to want to come with a with a with a trump role I mean I feel like you were supposed to do that before I said hello that's all good okay our first bold and bold podcast in 20124 and the first time that we're live um so we have a very special guest today uh a very dear friend of mine who I don't know how long I already know him

and we we met a couple of years ago where he was my facilitator and Sharman um on medicine Retreats here in Switzerland and I met him through W other very good friend of mine um and since then um we had a couple of Journeys together so I'm very excited to actually have now a live connection to Los Angeles um to Ian Ivan hey welcome Happy New Year to you happy New Year Mike thank you so much for having me here no thanks for spontaneous to to join us here yeah yeah it's a pleasure and and I have a I

have an apology for for for people that do watch it because we went we went kind of quiet towards the back end of last year and it's basically because I was sick for about three weeks um and so really this is the first week when I've been able to talk talk without coughing so be back yeah but the good thing is we said we we don't have a fixed agenda we do it whenever it's nice we we um there was also there was holiday season in between so and yeah I'm really happy that uh that now we we are um we're here we have

an amazing guest and Ian to be honest I don't really know how always to introduce yourself because what I just said to to monil you do so many things I mean you're are now also video Pro I saw the the YouTube channel that you just launched it looks amazing um you a speaker you are a coach you are a facilitator you help with medicine you um you have a scientific background you run a an Iron Man so I don't know what else are you doing and how can I introduce yourself to the audience did you say IR man as well w

yeah yeah uh well thank you thank you Mike you you're you're making me blush um but I don't know like I think that's a great introduction I in a way I feel like um to define a person by one of the things that they do limits them uh for many periods of my life I have been a label I would say um I was a musician uh that's you know started studying music when I was six and until I was in my mid 20s if they would ask me who are you I would say I am a musician like that's who I am

and then you know thanks to medicine I started breaking with those identities and um every time that I would fall into another identity I eventually would feel that that was constraining me and that there were so many other things that I wanted to do and so um maybe that your introduction was perfect those are things that I I do but who I am I am me and I see like every person is themselves and there's no need to really label them but so I guess that's that's what I could say about it thank you so much that's that's

really sweet of me can I share something with you at this point Ian you are the second person and I listen to a lot of podcasts and speak to a decent amount of people and you are the second person who is affect ly made this distinction between your identity as a person and the things that you do whereas what people do typically is their occupation becomes their identity right and so this is something I consciously try and say is I do coaching I work in technology but not I am ex job title in technology or not I am a coach right because

ultimately coaching is one of the things that I want I want to do lots of things so when I was just before we started this and I shared with you that whilst I was working out I was I was watching you on YouTube right I was watching your your beautiful YouTube channel and I think it's one of the First videos where you make that distinction about kind of purpose and what you do and that identification so I'm curious how how did you do that what was the was there an event that made you think well hang on

why am I identifying as a thing as opposed to what you just said um I would say probably identifying myself with uh any of these things that Mike just said and eventually feeling that ultimately that wasn't me so probably was a way of uh beating beating that drum all over and over again I am this I am that and um something I would say in my heart telling me no that's not who I am um in a way in a way I can say it kind of happened by itself um but partially I would think that that happened because I

I do feel I'm really connected to my heart and to what I am feeling I am very sensitive when things you know the way we say here in the US when they don't land right when you say something I am this and something doesn't fully resonate um like even though I've been serving glans medicine for 10 years um to say like that's who I am it always felt like H something something doesn't fully fully click and since you uh referenced the video on purpose I feel like that that video in a way was a consequence of me finding that

out um somehow throughout my journey where in in that video I described that at some point I felt oh my purpose in this planet is to serve medicine and help people you know go through these experiences and you know what I say in that video is that purpose is something that it is constantly changing and that I found out because at some point what was really satisfying and fulfilling to me it stopped being satisfying fulfilling so if that would be who I am then in a way you would have you would think that that should be the thing that

fulfills you for the rest of your life right so um I think that's when I started realizing there is no identity even if it's extremely fulfilling at some point that um it ends up becoming someone's purpose unless unless is fulfilling your whole life so I realized that one of the most maybe useful tools or skills to develop as a human being is the a constant the capacity to be constantly Reinventing yourself otherwise you would you know you would get stuck and I think the last thing I want to say on that topic is imagine you

which I'm sure many of your viewers are are in this situation where where you studied something for a very very long time in University let's say you became an architect or a doctor a you did a a specialty right so you dedicated so much time of your life just to become this thing and then you do it for 10 years or 15 and then eventually you're like oh I'm starting to get bored or this is not satisfying anymore in a way it's a problem because in order to break with that you also have to break with all the

effort that you put into into doing that or into becoming that person and that can be so challenging to decide to throw that out out of the window even though it is not throwing it out of the window right because you learn so much and it's part of the life's journey but that's probably how it feels like um and so uh the capacity to reinvent yourself to be like I am willing to throw this away and bring whatever is new I think is so useful because every stage of your life is so different from each other

like who you are in your 20s who you are in your 30s who you are in your 40s what you are interested in the things that you're called to do they are all so drastically different than to get stuck with one of those things can probably hinder you know if you might feel like it is the good thing but it ends up hindering um that stage that it is calling for something else so um yeah I very broad answer to a simple question but yeah but it's a it's a context question and and I think also you you

had you had so many so how how long did you did you serve medicine for how many 10 years 10 years so you help thousands of people on those Journeys and how many of those struggle exactly with that point so that they don't know what's my purpose right and I identify myself as I'm yeah I'm a employee of that company and I need to sell cars I mean how many people do that so many so many struggle so much coming saying like I really don't know what my next stage in life and I would love to know I'm I am a accountant I am

this I am that but you know I was taught that that was supposed to be my thing and I would you know be economically stable and have a house and my career and it's all happening and uh just like I feel like something else is up there for me and I feel like these times like the 20 the 2020s um is is a time where more people are starting to feel that whereas our older generation our parents um they didn't even question that I think there was less space in the collective around you know talking about

our society as a whole and there was less space for people to be allowed to even feel that like you were that and you were that like you would don't even question it you might feel unfulfilled and you don't even feel it that you are feeling it right so I now I feel like there's more of a Liberation where people are more allowed to question themselves and um I'll see if they can reinvent themselves it's hard it's it's really throwing all your safety out the window and so I really I really salute everybody who does

that yeah no for sure and I think it's also just to your point around previous generations I also think this I there is a there is now an idea or there is now an existence Collective Consciousness right you previous generations before social media before let's say actually not even social media and let's just look at the inter let's look at things like AOL and and message boards and all that sort of stuff or Internet relay chat for those of you that are old enough to remember it before all of that there wasn't this Collective Consciousness and now that we

have this Collective Consciousness to me what does that breed well that breeds Aur curiosity and these sorts of existential questions come when you approach yourself in your life and the things that you do with almost like a childlike curiosity right you know the what am I right The Who Am I the what is this the why why am I feeling this way what is that feeling where do I feel it you know and I'm I'm grateful that you know coming to the midpoint of my lifee I'm grateful that for the second half of my life I live in a world

in which that exists um that's not to say that wouldn't have been grateful in the generations of our parents because the reality is we wouldn't have known about this right on on the on the scale do globally but it's just I'm I'm grateful to be part of the world now so that I can share space with people like yourselves so that I can share this with my kids you know we've had my eldest daughter dancing on the intro to the podcast because she loves the music right and you know she she Googled me and she's like wow daddy like you you

know CU stuff like that is is is cool and I think when you sorry this is quite a long one but there's just lots of thing when you talk about I am that's where it should just stop right I am not I am a teacher I am an artist I am a a coach it should just be I am what is is I am I am is the purest essence of yourself it's your spirit right it is you and that is fundament what we all are and I think if I draw parallel monks when man when

monks shed worldly possessions and things like that that is essentially what they're saying is that I am I am the soul I am the essence I am the Divine I am everything I am the universe all within me and connected to everything else and everyone else so just wanted to when you when you when you say I am it just reminds me on on that famous quote of the cartus with I think therefore I am and on one of those ceremonies that I that I experience all of a sudden I came up with that thing

okay I think therefore I am distracted because it just you are don't have and and even I need to need to love because you I mean you're such such a you have a scientific background and then also that strong connection to the to the spiritual world or the way how you how you what you discovered and what you learned over the last decades so how how did that come how how did someone who started very scientific all of a sudden um made that shift and then now has that mission to bring both worlds together thank thank you I I like that question

um I would say well I I grew up an atheist um I sometimes tell this story that when I was a kid my dad I I I pointed at a building that looked really beautiful uh in weside as Argentina where I grew up and I said what what's that and maybe I was five and my dad said that's a church and I said what is a church and he said oh that's where people go waste their time and and I S yeah so I think it's it's no coincidence that I ended up studying a science you know uh and my mom was the

same both parents atheists and um yeah was I think I think that I I'm really grateful for that I I would not consider myself an atheist at all in in this moment um but I'm grateful for it because it gave me a very logical mind and I I started meditation very early on not for any I would say spiritual reason I didn't like that word um and I didn't like it partially because I always associated with lack of logic right which for a scientist that is super important um and and so I started seeing meditation practices and stuff like that

through the lens of Science and um I think what did the the biggest trick was aaska definitely where um I started really connecting to to the Divine in a way in which I didn't even know it was possible and just having that experience seeing it from The Logical uh point of view made me feel that wait it is also possible that um all of these things that I heard my whole life like we have the energetic centers like the chakras that logically could be that one of them are um if if the if the connection to the Divine

which is you know in the crown chakra connected to the Divine and to God is is blocked it makes sense that you might become an atheist and it also makes sense that that atheism it is simply a blockage of your connection to the Divine and that that blockage happens not because you're born that way but through conditioning um some people have their heart completely blocked um also based on conditioning not because they are born that way um and so that is for example a way a very simple way of connecting logic if you will to

spirituality um and what I realized is that when I started talking about any of these topics in this specific way to people who were spiritual they felt that they were connecting with their spirituality more and when I talk to people with a more scientific uh way of seeing the world they would also connect to their own SCI scientist in them as well and so and also the other way around uh spiritual people would connect more with science as science scientists would connect more with their own spirituality and also I noticed the other the opposite that when I would go

to a meditation class or a yoga class and people would blow it out with ultra spiritual talk that it sounds Guru likee right it sounds like you're saying deep things but no one is really Landing with it is no one is like oh that like really hit home and I get it like I felt it in my bones it's it's almost like it's almost like trying to be not relatable on purpose so that you can sound wise and Guru likee and I realized that takes people further away from spirituality which um it It ultimately is a problem

because we Are Spiritual Beings and the more we're connected to our spirituality in a genuine way I feel like our quality of life can improve drastically we can become more compassionate more forgiving more accepting um and so it became so some sort of mission of mine or maybe if you want to call it skill or gift or something that flows through me to connect these two worlds so that both worlds can merge closer together and yeah and I would say bring spirituality into their life in a more real and genuine way and you mentioned I

wasar which is really a shortcut I think so my my first experience now is is years ago in January 2018 um and I had a similar experience right so the first you think what is that so how what world is that opening and then on the other hand you had all those all those um people where went un sure can I talk about that can I is that something which is um is it okay to do that are putting people you know into the into the world of the druggies or something so um um what is that and um I like the

way how you always uh describe the difference between medicine and drugs and probably also interesting for for our audience um is to elaborate shortly on that because so many people um think uh and first I need to spend 15 20 minutes talking to them that um what's the difference between medicine and and trucks and I mean you go in a truck store a truck you need to you need to absorb more and more to have the same result you need to get it all the time it's definitely not like that for me so the last iosa experience I had

a year ago right so and at the moment I don't have a calling but I'm totally fine because I found somehow my my or I reconnected with my inner child or I found my purpose and I said okay okay that's so now I feel good and I don't know when I so um but I really like the way how you describe th those those things between medicine and truck and so maybe you can elaborate a little bit on that sure um I think that we all have been probably our kids are not going to have this experience as we had it with

our parents but our generation uh grew up in a world where uh if a substance is mind altering therefore it's a drug and if it's a drug therefore it does all these bad things that we associate with drugs like addiction bad for you neurotoxic uh you know enjoy first pay later uh Escape your problems right like those are the thing when we when we say the word drug that's that's those are all the images that time that come to our mind and and the fact that it is mind altering is in a way it it skips

that idea so we have mind altering then we have that's a drug and then we have it is all these bad things so you can also remove the thing in the middle right and and make a direct connection between mind altering means bad for you addictive all those things so and we all grew up with that I was talking to you about my dad telling me about uh the church and my dad was very uh uh um how do you say he had all of those kind of statements that were very um intense if you will and so his opinion

about drugs or anything that was mind altering uh which is not the same right we're making that distinction now um was terrible for you that he would he would say crap like the reason why you are having a mind altering experience is the experience of your neurons disintegrating and burning out and that's why you start having these hallucinations and I grb really scared of all of them um so I I am why am I saying this is to be relatable to your audience where I am sure a lot of people feel this way and might continue to

still feel this way or at least doubt it right if it's mind altering it has all of these issues but this is not the case and it's it's it has been proven over and over again especially in the past decade um where there's more studies on mushrooms for depression MDMA for depression aaska for depression and all of these of these medicines where people take them and then at the end of The Experience they are better they you know so um at the end I would I would encourage people to just break with the idea of mind altering equals drug equals

bad and be like when I take this what is the result and the result for some mind altering substances is that you end up worse addicted and all those things like cocaine or herin or other ones right well but not for all of them what or anti-depressants yeah we're going to go there in a second um and the medicine is you know it's very simple it doesn't matter whether it is mind altering or not if you take it and by the end of the effect or result you are better you are less addicted to something you have a

better life quality your brain is better you know any of these things if you are more healed then that's a medicine medicines also have this quality that you take them so that you don't have to take them again right because if the purpose is to heal and you're healed what would be the purpose of continue taking it and you just mentioned it um a few minutes ago where you you've taken iasa a few times and every time it felt a little better it's been a year since your last one you don't have a need to do it

and that doesn't mean you might not get sick again uh both physically or mentally or psychologically um but you are not dependent on it you don't need aaska in order to have a good life quality in the same way in which you might need as you said you know a minute ago and the presentence for example where you need to take it every day so um a substance like an depressant I I would consider it much more closer to a drug than to a medicine because it makes you depend on it and it is addictive it

is bad for you and neural like all of the things that we're afraid of drugs they happen with anti-depressant and many other Pharmaceuticals now I'm not saying that so so that's one example of the things that we're afraid when we talk about drugs but not being mind altering so clearly mind altering and the things that we fear for drugs don't necessarily correlate now one last thing I want to say on on that topic is that I am not saying anti-depressants shouldn't exist um some people are suicidal some people can't lift themselves off the couch because they

are slammed with depression and so these substances are okay to get yourself out of that situation so that you can get your life back in track but working on creating real healing so depression is a consequence is not a cause depression is not the cause you know the the Western mindset uh or the Western approach is you have a chemical imbalance therefore you are depressed right and um what um what we're saying is you are depressed not because you have a chemical imbalance the chemical imbalance is the consequence of your depression and your depression yeah is a consequence of

something that's going on with you psychologically so if you were to heal what's going on with you psychologically which could be childhood trauma not being loved not being wanted uh you know you name it there's many things that can cause depression then there wouldn't be a need for anti-depressants with all the side effects and addictive uh properties that they have so anti-depressants are okay if you are um having a really really really challenging time in your life and while you are used them I would call them it is a tool that buys you time while you seek for real healing um

once you do the real healing you can get rid of this tool and and move on in the US unfortunately the and I think in a lot of parts of the world the approaches you are born wrong with a bad brain and you need this spill for the rest of your life and that prevents you from seeking for healing because well I just I just need this and so you will never really address the the source of your depression so it's the more comfortable way right because you you you are told that you can't do anything you just take

that pill and that will will be your your companion for the rest of the life so you can stay in your comfort zone because healing is painful right if you if you confront your your trauma if you confront your your fears and those kind of things that are the are the reason for your situation the situation you in if you if you're confronting them it's a painful process and I mean you have seen it with thousands of people and it's maybe I think it's maybe a bit more simple I'm going to be cynical here um

that the when we we seek treatment in the west the question is never asked what's going on with the question is never asked who are you as a human being right it's a very existential and in the UK we have 15 minutes appointments with our general practitioners right so they're never going to get into that until and and and let's also remember there's some people you know doctors have a problem so doctors may feel like actually this person sitting in front of me doesn't want anti-depressants doesn't need anti-depressants I'm going to prescribe two weeks of exercise or two weeks of

going to community meetings so they make social collections to see how they sub most yeah if the doctor doesn't if they don't come out of there with a pill they will report that doctor right right to Gover and say well you know she's not doing her job you know I went in for depression I'm clearly you know and and we accept and so doctors are on a hiding to nothing because on the one hand they have to be careful about their patient self- diagnosing then on the other hand if their patient even smells of threatening

them with any kind of malpractice they have to accept the self- diagnosis and go yeah yeah I think it probably could be this is It's tra like it's an and this is Way Way Beyond just anti-depressant you know oh um I was reading a book called you probably come across it um lost connections um can't remember the guy's name but it's it's it's a guy who's been chronically depressed since 14 and so he's a journalist and academic he traveled around the world looking at what depression is and where it comes from and you know he

spoke to gab mat among other people um and he looked at the studies behind the efficacy of anti-depressant right so in studies you just have to show that your drug can show a 1% Improvement in symptoms WS or twice or a few times and then it gets approved by the FDA it's it's sicken it because effectively what you're doing is you're legalizing what people would consider craft and putting in a pill and making a ton of money off it MH yes yeah it is sad and I feel like a lot of the doctors have uh by the way

before I say anything and for any doctors out there listening to this I I want to remind you that I do have a scientific way of seeing the world uh even though I'm not an atheist anymore or any of those things I I it's still the Lev through which I see most things so um I am full fullly in for Western medicine as much as for alternative medicine and Eastern medicine and jungle medicine right so um so I I I tend to not criticize or or not not criticize I I would say I would criticize aspects of

every industry right so to say like all doctors you know all medicine is wrong or stuff like that I would I would never say that um so the parts that I would yeah I just I just wanted to to um clarify it um because it can it can be easily misinterpreted so the parts of the western style of uh approach to medicine that I would criticize too is that the system is is a combination of two parts of the system one is the education so doctors when they go to school they are not taught or encouraged

to really um know what's the cause for the patient and try to really focus their issue there it's more like the quickest and partially the yeah the quickest solution the better this pill will really quickly take care of your symptoms and people patients also want their symptoms um addressed much more than their the cause for the symptoms um it's unconscious but it is true like oh you're giving me this pill I'm going to feel better fine no patient ever asks or maybe not no patient but generally speaking they don't ask like is this going to address the cost so this is

shared responsibility and the responsibility is based partially in ignorance where that is not the focus or or the intention and the system where um Western medicine is that is involved in it is first that there's no education around this is always the education about how to as quickly as possible to resolve the um the symptom partially as you said because of money and insurance and the amount of people that are sick whether physically or mentally is so much that um that yeah there needs to be a quick turnaround like okay next okay next I have 20 more patients today right um and

then the other issue is as you were saying mon is the system itself um do even if there is a doctor that wants to be more holistic and more wholesome in their approach as you said the system might punish them for that right like what you you prescrib two weeks of exercise when this guy can be uh res in two minutes with this pill like and so maybe people maybe doctors are also not there's there's no encouragement to do that I don't know if they will be punished or not some might but there's definitely no encouragement

Imagine A system that is the other way around where they are like um we will totally reward you if you manage to um heal this person or help this person heal with no pills like how how much that would change the mentality would be to be honest I also I I think you're totally right and and um I'm also not against the the school medicine or something and I I must stay if I break my leg I'm happy to go to a surgeon right and I wouldn't go come don't goka there no not not at all but

and and I have seen it also from the same thing that you that you said I mean you you know you know my wife atti when she got when she got her cancer diagnosis and people gave her when the doctors gave her three to six months to live with stage four lung cancer um of course we did the chemo so this was this was one of the things that that that that everybody said you need to do that in order to stay alive fine yes in order to stay life um and when we spoke to

oncologists um and we said to them okay you know that at she did iasa she did CBO um frog medicine so um and afterwards and we we spoke to the oncologist and they said I I mean we know it's very strong medicine so they were open at least so they didn't say don't do it but they said we can't we can't recommend it so we're not allowed to recommend it that's also fine I mean if people are open and if they if they talk to you because everybody wants to help her in in the end it must be her

decision um um and but and this was then one thing that I that I somehow missed so you mentioned as well there is not that holistic picture the the health the the school medicine it's an industry and I worked for that industry when I worked when I did advertising for pharmaceuticals and we had our sales Road shows to to doctors in order to give them a best specific bony if they could or specific rewards if they could sell sell more as that one truck or anything like that right so you it's a it's a it's industry

and the other part alternative medicine is is not an industry uh because you can't make money out of it so you can't you can't you can't on one hand um um patent those kind of things so that you get that you have your license because it's natural second part is um healing has a lot to do with yourself and it has a lot to do with mindset and it has to do with the way I mean you are your own healer and if you're not if if you just give all the responsibility away to somebody else you

just get a pill who helps with the symptoms but you w't heal and so I think especially inner healing has so much to do with with um with your mindset and the way how you um ask questions also in do your do your own research and take conscious decisions on conscious decisions and don't let uh let everybody else decide on on on on you as a person because that's really that's really really important because I'm at a point where I'm drug free to treat my rheumatoid arthritis I haven't been to the rheumatologist in two years why because I haven't needed

to now the the journey for that and and this is this is another thing that I would add to what you both said is that the space for the space for alternative medicine um Western medicine mindset everything right but what tends to happen at the moment is people not only tend to believe what they believe but they tend to vilify other things it becomes fash oh I'm vegan right well if you're vegan that's great be vegan enjoy it but then don't vilify people that eat meat then there people who swear by eating me only and

and whatever the reality is life is about Alan whatever gives your body balance and your soul balance and your balance do it do it with love do it with intention if you feel it might be helpful share it but don't ever try and RAM it down someone's throat right and and I see a lot of that happen right now you know going back to my room how am I on top of it well I look at my sleep I look at my movement I look at my Stress Management um I look at the food that I

eat I run I wake train I do all of this stuff I'm drug free now that's the platform the biggest the biggest Catalyst for it not affecting me on a day-to-day basis is none of those things they're just a platform they're the base the biggest thing is the mindset sh what energy do I attach to my situation to things and you know sometimes yeah I am a bit crazy and a bit dumb and I I don't want people to think that I eat clean all the time and I'm some kind of Guru I had a packet of

crisps and some processed cheese about half an hour ago right but it's it's it's in the mate you know the things that you do consistently for most of your existence are the things that are going to reward you and that means that you can let the [ __ ] in now and then and your body will go screw you you can't do that right but like you say m love this word Consciousness we we we are not taught conscious awareness about anything we have to find it our El and I and I think go just something

you were saying Ian about maybe our our our children won't have the same challenges as our generation did I they won't because we will bring awareness to them um and I think collected that's the biggest gift we can give them right yes and I am hoping I am hoping that our children would will say that uh oh my parents manil Ivan Mike they were so unaware I really hope that I really I really hope that what we think of our parents is what our children are going to think of us because it means that the

level of awareness continues to improve and evolve so we were talking a lot about we are not taught any of this conscious aware decisions right and it makes sense because we can't be taught that thing that isn't known um and it is up for us to discover it and it is up for our children to discover those things that we didn't great point that is a great point I mean you you you travel the world and you talk to so many people you helped so many people with with all the the work that you have done there um

don't you do you see that there might be especially since the pandemic shift in the in the world that people are um starting to to to change their mindset do you see something like that um I think I would like more specificity for your question okay so like which kind of what are you referring people I mean you have you have many leaders you have uh you have accounts you have actually every person and you travel you travel um I mean every time I I was talking to you in the last years you were in a different country right and

then I got your emails oh now I'm here I'm here I'm here so you spoke to so many different different people around the globe and I have at the moment the feeling that um that the world especially after the pandemic gets more conscious they ask more questions uh about um okay what's my purpose right and the funny thing is especially now in the advertising World purpose is the big thing so that's the big bus out right because now every company wants to create their own purpose so they need to have a purpose and they hire agencies to

come up with a purpose for them you think okay if you [ __ ] don't know what your purpose is why do you have company but um this is the big this is the Big Bus word uh at least in that industry at the moment so in marketing so many companies are looking for their purpose because it also helps you if the company has a purpose it will helps you it will help you with with your let's say fluctuation rate with the engagement of your employees because they know why they're there right you can build better

communities if you have a joint purpose so yeah so it's it's interesting and I and I really have the feeling at the moment especially since the pandemic that more and more people getw they don't take anything that is said especially on television for granted anymore they ask more questions um they yeah do research more or less bad somewhere so maybe don't believe what you hear in social media but but at least people start to think they're also challenging okay so that was a little bit yeah yeah specification of where want to go yeah yeah um of course of course I did notice

that as well um partially um obviously I in the past decade traveling the world I'm noticing that uh societies um especially Eastern European societies that uh were um I would say slammed by so many wars and where the only narrative was safety security uh attacking and survival um to see uh I I go to Croatia often as well um I go to other places that I much rather not say online um but uh yeah so in these places where you would never in your life see somebody that has gone to war has a a warrior mindset um that kind of

warrior you know there's many kind of Warriors there's a peaceful Warriors as well um to see them cry to see them um talk about purpose to see them just melt and start understanding what love is and what forgiveness is a word that might not have ever ever came out of their mouth you know and um to it's it's pretty it's pretty amazing I would say that I I have been exposed to a lot of that so in a way I am a little bit biased um however the reason why medicine is becoming more and more popular is

partially because people are seeking for it and they are in need of it and they are realizing that the old narrative um basically what we were talking about of let's address symptoms is starting to not work anymore we stayed there for a very long time very very long time and eventually once it stops working probably it really worked if you think about it when addressing symptoms started it was probably what was needed in that time um based on the society and the mindset the collective awareness and as collective awareness shifts into a deeper level of awareness um also our

needs shift as well and so to to see all of these people um and then also not you know this this kind of approach to healing and to how well-being um used to be only for hippies if you will meaning that these were the only ones that thought that there was something in there but it was kind of dismissed by everybody else and now I see plumbers I see electricians I see CEOs I see uh businessmen um I see atheists and Skeptics I see I yeah people who have gone to War I see people with closed

Hearts talking about wanting to open their heart and it's it it really gives me a lot of Hope and I think I want to convey that hope to your audience because I would say most people people are not exposed to what I am exposed um in in this regard so there might be a lot of hopelessness that I also feel Within Myself too for moments um going around and I can tell you that there is a shift happening I see it um and the trend is toward more of that it is slow if or it feels it feels slow because we

want to see right now I want to see it right now for sure you know I'm like let's just love each other like yeah let's heal let's but um if you think about Humanity as as how long we have been a species uh which is 200,000 years um if this shift takes 50 100 years I think it's not not not as slow it's low in comparison to one person's life but um hopefully each generation will continue filtering those things that the generation that came before good and I I do see it happening and I think also

um you have more now also with with with the internet with um stuff that you can that you can find I mean we we are really a global world you can get information from everywhere you can learn different languages now even if you don't understand you can use AI to translate it for you so you have all the all the the means in your hands to educate yourself and to use that to grow right so um and that's also a collective movement that is happening right now so we see all that how fast the world is

changing over the last decades and and people got more um aware of a better life style what means a positive mindset um why I mean people start want to want to change longivity by doing biohacking right so you get more and more people into those kind of spheres or into into such an environment that helps or that boosts even that that Collective knowledge or maybe the change or the change needs to come from different sides at the moment so I'm also very optimistic and I and I but and everybody everybody right now has it in

their own hands to heal because sure so there's a there's a beautiful book that I'm reading at the moment and it's a recommendation of Alisa so um Alisa tidswell has been a guest on our podcast but she's also fantastic coach that was facilitating uh the business coaching course that Mike and I met on and this book is called The Gentle art of blessing yeah and to your point what you what you do in that book is you just you give blessings to everyone people you like people you don't like um you know all this techy that is being used to Str

and and hold us and real I'm feeling like that's going to be a book that's fundamentally going to change my mind because because when blessing are always in the place of lot and if you're in a place of if you MTH of then it is impossible for healing not to happen yes yes yes yeah especially if you're called to read something like that you're already predisposed you're you're already coming with the right mindset um Al also I think to the point that we were talking about Mike um there's a book uh called the body keeps the score um what's really

interesting about it is that should that yeah and what's really interesting about this specific case more than the book itself is that the book blew up in terms of popularity in the past year or in the past two years but it was written almost 10 years ago so was it it's not that oh it came out and it blew up it's like there's something about the fact that this the the period of life or the stage of um Collective awareness we're in where all of a sudden those things even though they were written before are

becoming popular now because there's a craving for it totally so I think that in a way shows but I love I need to speak about books I haven't read it yet but I but my my daughter sent me gave me her Christmas present was a book because she knows that I read a lot of um books about personal development or those kind of things and she gave me a book that probably she found on Tik Tok so actually many people were talking about that book and I'm so curious It's called Trump West one and one ESL will

change the way you think so I just flipped through a couple of pages it it goes in the same direction what you're just talking about so it's um I'm I'm very curious to start reading it um but it's also something so you have 100 one essays so it's not a book that you read in one go but you read chapter for chapter and let every chapter sink in and maybe read one chapter in the morning and one the evening and then it takes 50 days but um um pretty cool and I and I love that so

even that my 17 yearold daughter comes up with books like that because she was listening to ticktockers speaking about that okay there seems to be a shift yeah what would you what would you recommend to people or maybe people were listening to that and they feel stuck and just I mean probably you have you have come across of many people who uh who were doubting as especially in the beginning when met you and said okay so what should I do and they're always in that victim mode and uh stuck and don't know how to continue what put you

comp um I think first would be an assessment which is where I am you know ask yourself where where am I in my life am I satisfied am I happy if the answer is no is I'm am I willing to change and that that is a or am I ready either willing to change or ready for a change which are very similar they are not exactly the same thing but uh maybe you can ask yourself both questions um because if you don't ask yourself that question you don't get the chance to be honest and sincere with yourself

before you start doing anything so I see a lot of people who come to ceremony um or who try other things um saying um I came here because my friend told me that I will have a better life and the answer to that is that well not quite because if you are not really willing or ready for it uh then you will not really get the benefit from it so in a way that is asking yourself where am I and so that I can meet myself there yeah meeting yourself where you're at is so important because that is the thing

that will allow you to move forward and be where you want to be if you meet yourself where you want to be but not where you're at you will never get there because first you need to be where you're at it's it's just this is how in a way I use logic um to talk about spiritual things because it really I feel like it really works and so what does it mean to meet yourself where you're at is am I ready for a change if I'm really honest and I'm like not really I am uncomfortable where I'm at

but I am com I am more comfortable in my discomfort than how uncomfortable it would be to change then I want you to know that that's okay there's no issues with that actually it's great that you can be that honest because once you're there you're meeting yourself where you're at and know that all right I would like I would like to eventually be ready for a change but I'm not there yet and so I can focus my um attention into getting ready to get ready and that that can make the that can make the difference between finally

moving forward or getting stuck um the other answer could be like yes I am ready for a change and then see what is it that it is calling you if you feel like you are stuck but you really want to change but you are stuck medicine I think is a great tool um and again it's a tool is not a solution it is a thing that helps you move forward um but if it's not medicine I would recommend you to start um any form of practice that that puts you in touch with who you are and that could be um

meditation it could be uh yoga it could be going to taii to breath work breath work in a way is a form of medicine without plants uh so it's pretty amazing if you're like I heard you talk about drugs and all of that I believe you but I still can't break with that mindset of mind altering substances are or you can just believe me but be scared which is also fine um breath work is a great to to start getting un stuck and to start moving forward because it creates a very similar uh effect and result um so we

mentioned those things any form of spiritual practice that does not require faith I would say right so meditation is a spiritual practice yoga is a spiritual practice breath work is a spiritual practice and they are also very practical it's not just spiritual spirituality does not need to mean the opposite of practicality um so um so so if you're a stat and you start doing breath work and you feel like things are starting to move um and then you start going to yoga and things are starting to move then maybe you are ready to go to a plant

medicine ceremony or you might not need medicine at all um but definitely if you're stuck and you ready for a change which you need to ask yourself that question first then any of these practices or a combination of them um will probably help you move forward perfect thanks awesome we we are getting close to the end so actually I would like to ask you still um a question more about you what are your plans now for 24 and you opened your own channel so where do you want to go what is your where do you want to see

yourself by the end of this year thank you Mike um so throughout this decade I've been serving medicine for 20 to 30 people at a time and um these conversations we've been having for this past hour between the three of us are and many other things are are are topics that show up during ceremony and I talk a lot during ceremony about all these things and one thing that I felt at some point was that um this last 10 years were really good for me to learn all of these things none of the things that I'm talking about I

Used to Know I learned them thanks to these Retreats a lot of them I learned them as I was saying them so I would say things that I never said or thought before giving a speech on healing and I be like where did that come from right so it's almost like you're transmitting some knowledge that it is available out there and you become open to it and then instead of even though I was the one saying it I was also the one listening it uh and I was like wow where so I used those 10 years um to learn all of these

things and I started realizing recently that if I really want to see a bigger shift in the world it can't be done 25 people at a time because for those 25 people that is very very very meaningful but it is I I feel called this we were talking about purpose right to expand this not to 25 people but to Millions I want millions of people to to start making this shift and to become more aware and um and so my goal for 2024 is to get as close as I can uh to make that happen and that's why I

decided to come out in the open and create a YouTube channel where every week I put out a video on some topic some of those videos will be directly about medicine because unfortunately the information out there is is not good um it is very ungrounded it is all about doing things traditionally about the jungle about this which are fine but I don't think it's what the west or the world needs in this moment um so some of those videos are about directly about PL medicine or aaska but um my intention is to put mainly videos about why we are talking

on fulfillment or depression or anxiety or how to live a better life quality or how to release shame what is shame why is it so dangerous what is fear why is like like and and so that when people see them something Clicks in them that makes them move forward and so my intention for 2024 is to be in as many podcasts as I can so first thank you so much for having me here um because this is one of the things that I want um to become a public voice for healing and and help it expand to as many people as

possible Fant today welcome thanks a lot okay thank you thank you both so much I really appreciate this and in in this year um next one is follow if you know someone who would be great for that for that little round here with these two bold guys um let me know Ian um happy to I mean you use book to so many people and always great because we found that PL that platform to speak with people and share thoughts that might be worth sharing and also make the world a better place so that was our purpose for the

little thing we said okay if we are just listening to that it's also fine it's also a good reminder if more and more people are listening to that it's even better and um we contribute to that so if you like that podcast please click the Subscribe button and um and I will put your the link to to your podcast in our YouTube comments as soon as up with you there's also in the spirit in the spirit of purpose I think I'd just like us to sign off by just saying to people just be yourself and you're probably

looking at the screen right now thinking I don't know what that is what the hell do you mean that's exactly why just spend time being yourself whatever that means to you thank you ifan thank you Mike Lord thank thank you man thank you Mike and yeah I we can talk later about which kind of guests do you want he and I'll I'll redirect them to you I really hope that um I really hope by the just to close that your Audience by hearing this is a little bit closer to either a more H version of themselves

or a little bit closer to start that journal because it is absolutely worth it totally thanks a lot byebye thank you so much bye by