Integrating Consciousness Podcast

um I think the main difference there it is the images that one has of each word so one of the reasons why I don't call myself a shaman is because I am aware of what that word brings in people so if I say Shaman we'd probably be thinking of a magician a wizard a jungle a person from The Jungle you would be thinking of feathers you would be thinking of this this whole Persona right and I am not saying that every Shaman should be called a facilitator not every facilitator should be called a shaman because it's a combination of what shows up

in people with some form of appropriation I feel that if I would be a Peruvian Shaman and I would hear some person in the United States who looks like me say say I'm a shaman I mean I would feel somewhat somewhat either disrespected or or some something there's not right um and I feel like in respect for them and in respect for the participants and ultimately in respect for myself as well it is important to make that distinction because if I start calling myself that or any other facilitator in the west if I call him that way I am um making people I am

forcing people unconsciously for them to bring all of these images of what a shaman should be and then the participants are going to start projecting their image of what a shama should be into me or into whichever facilitator and that would ultimately create expectations and therefore disappointment um from from both ends um hello beautiful beings I am really excited to be here with Ivon shron um who is a decade give or take uh in the medicine iasa ceremony um setting and uh is a facilitator and also has a background in engineering as well as teaching of mathematics

um he is a uh friend of a friend so I'm really excited to be able to sit down and to extract as much information as possible from Ivon thank you so much for being here thank you L yes uh you can extract and just milk it all out of me awesome um so my very first question for you is who is Mother a um mother a I I like when uh people ask a similar question some people ask me directly what why do they call it mother right so I feel like your question actually has two questions

in one um cuz somebody who's not in the medicine world might might that might be one of the first questions that shows up for them when they hear your question it's like why mother right but let's start with your question and then maybe we go to that second one um iasa is a plant uh that comes from the Amazon jungle that's the only place where it grew for thousands of years and um it is it is made out of two well the experience can happen better said um when two plants are combined out of which one is the aasa itself so aasa can be a plant or which is in

the form of a Vine like Tarzan you know it looks like a piece of wood and also iasa besides being just that plant which is called bad stereopsis kaapi is also the experience that one has and that experience cannot be had without the second plant and the second plant can be any source of medicine or dimethyl tryptamine um In the Jungle the most common one is the U the shakuna as a source of the Mt uh in the US um people use akesa Kusa also because it grows in Hawaii and in Hawaii is considered a in Ive species actually they they have way too much of it uh so it it makes more

sense to use that but there are so many other sources of medicine so what it's needed to have that experience is the aaska vine and also a source of medicine now that is a very technical if you wish um answer to your question I think there's other ways of answering it uh there's also aasa is a spirit a lot of people would go straight to to tell you to telling you that but I don't like starting there because I feel like in the Western World pretty much everybody whether they are a scientist or a spiritual person a skeptic an atheist or religious whatever they are everybody will understand what

I just said everybody can relate to that whether you know whereas if you start by saying I was is a spirit you will have at least half of the population rolling their and being like Oh okay like I'm not interested in this and it is my intention to try for everybody to understand that this is something that they can relate to and that it is not just for Spiritual people or hippies or uh ungrounded or whatever whatever that is so with that being said uh and also as somebody who used to identify as an atheist like I used to before uh aasa is also a spirit it is a being if you

will that communicates with you and uh helps you move forward in your healing Journey now for those people who are very skeptic or atheist or whatever uh you don't necessarily have to believe in it as as some sort of using faith it can be as simple as you consume it and then this being is felt within you or you you you get to communicate like you start receiving information from somewhere and the feeling whether it is really real or only real within you but the feeling is that you are communicating with some external being that it is not within you that you invited in through

the consumption of this plant and what happens then is pretty amazing and it usually takes people into being in in it moves people forward in their healing journey and makes them a better version of themselves at the end beautiful thank you for that explanation and um something that I really appreciate of your work and your messages um is how you demystify uh you know the experience of iasa in the healing Journeys by really um by Will by really discussing the science behind it and um and making it palatable and understandable for everyone you know for those who are spiritual

and those who are not and um and I and I really respect that and appreciate that because I feel and I feel that that's not very common to be honest um I feel like you know my many interactions with the communities that surround iasa tend to really want to exacerbate and delve into the spiritual aspects of the medicine of the journey and of the healing and um unfortunately that ostracizes a lot of people who could benefit from it and it also um you know it also closes you know it makes it secular like it closes it a bit it no longer is something that's open and um

so I I really appreciate your message and what you're doing thank you Lan yeah everything you just said is something I felt myself and felt then you felt was within me to be able to bring it in in these ways as I mentioned I used to identify myself as an atheist and so I think I was really lucky that my very first facilitator he wasn't an atheist but he was uh very science oriented and I feel that that was my bridge into diving deeper in the into the spiritual realm and really benefiting from it and um if I would have ended up in a setting where the spiritual aspect of

it is the only thing that's talked about I might have not felt that this was for me who knows if I would have left or maybe I would have stayed but I would not have felt safe or understood which is a really important very important part of any form of healing experience is that for you to be able to feel safe because you're going to be opening theep and tender part of yourself right so if you don't feel safe there is a big chance that that might just not happen even if you wanted um so what is the difference between a facilitator and a

shaman um I think the main difference there it is the images that one has of each word so one of the reasons why I don't call myself a shaman is because I am aware of what that word brings in people so if I say Shaman he would probably be thinking of a magician a wizard a jungle a person from The Jungle you would be thinking of feathers you would be thinking of this this whole Persona right and I am not saying that every Shaman should be called a facilitator or the other way around what I'm saying is maybe the other way around that not every facilitator should be

called a shaman because there's some appropri It's a combination of what shows up in people with some form of appropriation I feel that if I would be a Peruvian Shaman and I would hear some person in the United States who looks like me say I'm a sheman I mean I would feel somewhat somewhat either disrespected or or some something there's not right um and I feel like in respect for them and in respect for the participants and ultimately in respect for myself as well it is important to make that distinction because if I start calling myself that or any other facilitator in the west

if I call them that way I am um making people I am forcing people unconsciously for them to bring all of these images of what a shaman should be and then the participants are going to start projecting their image of what a shaman should be into me or into whichever facilitator and that will ultimately create expectations and therefore disappointment um from from both ends I didn't mention what Shaman is but a facilitator I kind of didn't say it but said it anyway which is somebody who allows for an experience to happen that dedicates their life to that specific practice

but there's no specific image that shows up when I say facilitator except oh this is someone who does this right I feel it's more neutral yeah I really like what you're saying um in my interpretation of what you just said is you know in my own words that shamanism comes with a a kind of great deal of weight to it um there is a Persona and there's expectations um and people come to you with expectations of what they think you should look like or embody or a particular character that you should be um representing and um Coming forward as a facilitator is is neutral and so it

allows you to really Express and be authentic as to who you are without being imposed upon in terms of someone other On's some someone's expectations of what they think you should look like and be like and and act like and you know with Shaman it almost feels um you know in the Western World when I hear someone is a shaman and it there's a level of appropriation that it does feel you know for me I feel that there's a form of appropriation and it almost feels uh like there's a it's a stage presence whereas when working with a facilitator it's much easier for me to trust because I feel

like there's a little bit less ego um accompanied to this person's Persona and how they're representing themselves in that Arena yeah um yeah I think partially that was also one of the things that one day made me want to stop calling myself a shaman um that was the ego part the ego part is like when I saw it within my self which is like I think a lot of westerners who call themselves a shaman they want to be seen as the guy with the feathers the guru like enlightened like being um I think that's also another aspect of this word that it one of the images that it brings in people is

or or or Sensations is this Guru you know Shaman is is s is closer to a guru in in people's minds and so people love calling themselves that and people love calling their facilitators their Shaman because through Association they also feel if you say my Shaman is the best right you are like I am I am so great that my sham like the the guru that I follow I chose correctly you know it has all of this and all of this happens unconsciously yeah um so I think it's just better to or great by association yeah yeah yeah exactly so you alluded to it a little bit about your um

introduction to iasa through your facilitator who sounds like he was he or she was science-based and so I'm very curious um how did you what was your journey like how did you become a facilitator what made you want to invest yourself in the way in which you have in this particular modality um I would say when I when I hear when people ask me this question usually it comes in the form of so how did you decide when did you choose to to be a facilitator um because it's not something that you dream of when you're a kid right oh I want to be an astronaut I want to be a fireman

I want to be a shaman it's not something that one one imagines that's gonna happen um so that's why I'd like to say it kind of happened in a way it wasn't something that it felt like a conscious Choice it started because I was invited to a ceremony and I would consider that the most meaningful and transformative Night of My Life um that's when I went from being very close-minded and very atheist and very skeptical of everything and thinking that that was making me happy to what it felt like an Awakening you might see that every time I use any cliche spiritual words I might make

a pause because I'm trying to avoid uh kind of beating the same drum that everyone in this world is is in in the world of spirituality is beating but um it did feel like an honest Awakening where it's it's like somebody threw a bucket of water on my soul that was dormant and what it felt like it was like of course I'm going to be an atheist if my soul is dormant is is asleep um because that is my experience and so anyway it was very transformative in in an array of different ways and so I became for for six months afterwards I just couldn't stop smiling I would wake up just so

happy for no specific reason I was alive and that was enough I yeah people would ask me what have you done like without me telling them what have you done you look so great um and then I would tell them right and I became very passionate about the effects of it but I never thought of doing it myself and so the very first thing that I did is I told my mom I told my uh brother I told every each one of my friends who still live in Argentina uh that this was incredible and that I would love

for them to experience it so we arranged it for my facilitator to go to Argentina uh paid for his flight and for his wife slide like we we organized everything for him and they did amazing too and so little by little I kept becoming more of an organizer and of an ambassador if you want for this still without thinking of doing it myself however at some point my facilitator who did not live in the US started to come to the US less and less and I started having the need to to do it by myself it this this things started showing up within me as like I really would like to drink

iasa next week I feel like I have so much more to explore and back then 10 years ago it wasn't as common as it is today you know today you can go to Starbucks and get a IAS scalate pretty much uh and um you can find it pretty much anywhere but back then it was it was hard to find and so because of my background in science and in chemistry uh I decided to just learn how to do it myself and I did and I was doing it just at home eventually friends started telling me hey can I drink with

you tonight and I be like sure I don't know what I'm doing if you'd like to risk it uh I'm willing to risk it myself but are you sure uh anyway so I started with close friends and eventually it they started inviting other people and then other people eventually they invited people I didn't know and people would say wow the experience with you was the best one I ever had and I I been to 10 other faceters I'm like what what are you like I have no clue what I'm doing um but it seems like it what felt like beginners lack ended up being um just a natural a natural skill if you

will for this and and for helping people navigate their Journeys and yeah eventually at some point I realized I am I've been doing this already for one or two years for people that I don't know I think it is it would be the responsible thing to do to learn this properly so this is when I started going to the jungle and learning under um traditional shamans from from Peru and trying to sit with as many different facilitators as possible kind of like trying to see what each person can bring in a good way and also which mistakes they do so that I can get the best

out of each one and that's that's my story of how I started so pertaining to your ceremonies what are unique about your ceremonies because I know you know my experience my own experience was a very musical experience and um the traditions of the Amazon were brought into it and the facil facilitator I worked with um was very int intentional in honoring um the shapo and the people of the Amazon but I know that there's also influences of of different areas such as Peru and so I'm very curious what your ceremonies are like and if there's a specific you said you went to

the Amazon if there's a specific um cultural and historical background that you're bringing into it um I started mainly through the the fear of being of of imposter syndrome right and of not really understanding what I was doing I started uh trying to follow uh kind of like 50% of what I learned in the jungle and 50% of what I learned with my first more science-based facilitator and with time I realized that certain of the things that um I was on quote unquote honoring from the jungle weren't really being honored because they were they weren't the things that were coming

genuinely from me it was more like imitation or this is what they do there therefore we must do it here too um so only with time and with feedback and asking people what they liked and what they didn't what worked for them and what they didn't I started making modifications feeling that uh even though I might not be following the tradition that that might that that might be okay and with time I realiz wait a second a tradition is never born as a tradition if you think about it it's born as a practice that a specific uh a specific uh people do in a specific time and if

this tradition was born let's say 10,000 years ago in the Amazon jungle that's who they were in that place they started practicing it and it worked and so if you keep a practice for a very long period of time then it becomes a tradition but it doesn't start as such and so when I realized this I was like if a tradition would start from scratch in the west would it look like the one that we are serving and the answer is no because that is not who we are we are not people from the jungle from 10,000 years ago we are people from the 21st century in the

city and so if a tradition is born in a place and time for those people it makes sense to change it or to adapt it or to update it if we want it to fit us the most so once I realized that and I became more certain about that philosophy I think I became more um proactive into really rather than trying to honor the tradition that wasn't being honored even if I tried um I thought to start it from the very beginning what do we really need and what I found out is that the way in

which the Western mind works is mainly through uh the understanding of psychology childhood trauma how uh wounding Works how healing works and so without dismissing the spiritual aspect of it you know if someone kind of like what we said at the beginning we don't want to dismiss the Skeptics and the atheist but we also don't want to dismiss the spiritual and the Believers because I believe that there is a way in which everybody can relate to you so to answer that's that was more like an introduction to answer to your question so if you ask what's unique about

my ceremonies I would say um I think there are a ceremony my ceremony is one that it is tailored for the Western mind uniting science and spirit that uses a basis of grounded spirituality and um what western style psychology beautiful um I'm sure you see me nodding my head yes a lot um just because resonating I'm like truly really resonating and um and and really appreciate your perspective um thank you're welcome the medicine are you making the the medicine yourself yes MH are you working with any other plant-based medicines aside from aasa yeah I work with wuma or Sedro more commonly known um and I also work with medicine as

well uh the last one can you elaborate on that one yeah medicine is a African uh root well it's a bush and the uh root bar of this bush is grinded and consumed directly without much processing done in between it only grows in gaban and in Cameroon and it is a pretty it is I would say maybe the most healing plant that I have encountered more than aaska in my opinion and more than wuma even though it is not for everyone because it's an extremely uh long experience and it gives you a lot but you need to be willing to go through it one those of it can take you on a journey

that lasts 36 hours uh whereas you know yeah it's it's really a lot and and then you feel it for at least another week where you wake up and you're still feeling it in your system it has a very long biological Half-Life and so it stays in your blood for a very long time and those I I work with that one but very seldom U maybe once a year um because it is a lot oh right but it's also and really healing a long ass journey and you're right on that Journey with them yeah pretty much [Laughter] yeah yeah so um do all of these plants what they have

in common is the medicine aspect which is what creates the hallucinate the hallucinations sorry the hallucinations and affect the serotonin and dopamine intake is that accurate uh it is not only iasa contains medicine and uh medicine does dock into the serotonin receptors uh wuma or medicine is a cin of peori so for those for your viewers who don't are not very familiarized with um many of these plants probably they if they have not heard of medicine they probably heard of peot it's a little bit more if you want it famous and at least for

the name and these are cacti that their active compound or their active alkaloid is mescaline they have many other alkaloids in them so sometimes people ask me is mescaline the same than medicine or the same than peot and no mescaline is contained in peot or in medicine but there's many other alkaloids present in them uh mescaline also docks into serotonin receptors as well as dopamine receptors which is why uh the dopamin aspect of it which is connected to um norrine which is adrenaline this is why a lot of people in uh is is that pathway

people get very uh active on it so some people take it they they might be sleepy they might be tired and two hours later they just want to run a marathon and and go hiking which is um one of the uh ways in which is consumed right now in uh in the andies where the cactus comes from um is by consuming it and then going on a what they call a pilgrimage where they just go on these 12-hour hikes around the the mountains and every few hours they talk to a river they talk to to a tree they

talk to the water to the Sun to a mountain and it's really really beautiful and then ioga the one that I was telling you about from Africa um well that one is pretty incredible because it is their only plant known to man that docks into five family of receptors so aaska docks into serotonin the serotonin family I would say because uh serotonin receptors we have somewhere around uh 15 to 17 I I can't remember exactly um but yeah you have the 5ht to a 5ht um to B to C um and then there's other ones right so that's a whole family of receptors where aasa doxin um the same

with dopamine it also is a family of receptors and there's other ones like opiate receptors so opiate receptors is where morphine doxin to heroin uh oxycoton fanil all of the you know all of the the opiates that we are familiarized with whether they are legal or not um and we have Sigma receptors as well and there's um another there so basically we have a bunch of different families of receptors and ioga or medicine which is the active compound in it docks into five of them uh which is pretty unique which is is which is why the experience is so multifaceted an

ioga experience can can take you not only on a very long journey but but in a journey that it is very looks and feels very different every couple hours it's like yeah it just starts in one place takes you to a very different one and then takes you to a very different because it's as the um as the main alkaloid which is cogain starts metabolizing starts docking into different receptors and giving you a very different experience but for medicine is just aaska and medicine right or is that different so medicine is a molecule that it is very

similar to medicine stru the structure of cybin is almost the same as a medicine with the difference of an oxy and and the hydrogen um and it also Ducks into serotonin receptors which is maybe why I'm not I wouldn't completely assure this but the cybin experience has iasa like moments where people are like oh I feel like I'm on I and not on uh on mushrooms um so it Ducks into the same receptors and the molecule is very similar so out of curiosity The receptors the different receptors that are being docked into um um is that what dictates the uniqueness of

the hallucinate huc damn of the hallucinations um because I have experienced uh masculine of medicine um medicine uh iasa medicine and the hallucinations are all vastly a very unique different experience um with medicine and I waska feeling similar in terms of the way that I would see the energy and the way the energy would show up in terms of visualizations um however iasa is the only one that I've experienced where you actually feel like you're connecting to an entity and you're having in-depth beautiful conversations with this entity who is co- uh collaborating with you in creating the experience and as a

messenger bringing information no other plant that I've ever worked with have I had that interaction which you know was just an incredible interaction to feel like you actually have a guide that's internal with you as well as the guides that are supporting you externally outside of yourself um I love your question and it's actually one of my favorite topics because this is where we can start mixing science and uh and spirit uality in a way that unites them and in a way that makes at least makes me feel where that science and spirit are a just World Views basically there

is an experience here and then you can see it through the lens of science or you can see it through the lens of spirit and they are both true um so since we have an experience that's here that kind of splits into into to these two ways of seeing it I always felt that that these two sides science and spirit must be correlated and so what I feel is this is I'm here I have to go by feeling uh partially because this your question scientifically is not exactly well understood through science um the good thing about the spiritual aspect is that you don't

have to necessarily prove it you with feeling is enough which I'm sure a lot of scientists out there hearing this are cringing and I'm there with you I would cringe too if I would hear myself a few years ago uh say these things but um first we we we have to acknowledge that no um we we do not understand the answer to that question through the lens of science um it is true that things that dock into serotonin receptors t or better said psychedelics that dock into serotonin receptors have a tendency to create uh some level of visionary Distortion so iasa and salocin

LSD as well um and then mescaline also um at the right doses they start creating visual distortions which some people call it hallucinations some people call it Visions um I think also there's a distinction there where hallucination implies that you're seeing something that is not there a vision implies that it is you're you're finally seeing right like you are seeing what was there but that you couldn't see um so but with that being said yes depending depending on which receptor it Ducks into the the style of vision or Hallucination is going to to vary drastically and

it is mainly uh the serotonin receptors that are in charge of creating those most mostly intense uh kind of visual distortions um you have substances like ketamine for example that do not dock into serotonin receptors that even though they are somewhat psychedelic and they create a journey they are almost they they're visually they're almost non-existent you you know people call it like they they dive into a khole or they get to experience certain emotions but there's not like a vision or a hallucination with medicine medicine starts with um docking into serotonin receptors at first which is the only part in which you actually that first part of the medicine experience is called

the Visionary stage of medicine once it leaves your serotonin receptors and starts do into the opiate and the sigma receptors then your Visions go away even though you're still extremely emotional and you are still very much in your journey so that is the science aspect of it and to answer to your questions through um the spirit aspect of it I would say there's also this perspective in which you have a experience and that experience is I was the her her Essence who let's start with aaska then we can um basically just copy paste that explanation for all of the other ones uh

but you have aaska which is not a chemical and is not a vision or an entity aasa just is there as a raw form of existence or form of Consciousness or form of reality and when you consume it through the lens of uh of spirit you get to interact with that raw energy raw Consciousness um however that needs to have also since it started here and it splited in two through our lens this is the lens of spirit this is what we just talked about but what's going on here and these two things need to

correlate so what I started feeling throughout these years is that a spiritual representation of aaska must have a physical representation in its chemistry so another way of saying that is that the spirit is the chemistry and the chemistry is the spirit when I look at a plant through the lens of Science and I see that in there there is um a bunch a combination of alkaloids then I know that that is the way in which a spirit represent itself in in the physical form on the other side of seeing that is when I see a all of these chemicals I know that if I consume

them I'm going to experience a spirit but at the end they are just both representations from different lenses of an experience that it is that raw energy and I think that's the best I hope I made myself clear because I don't I'm not sure I can explain it better so my interpretation of hearing that and and how I integrated that was that the spirit of the plant has its own chemical makeup or chemical imprint and so um by accessing that chemical makeup or that chemical signature fingerprint I'm accessing the spirit associated with that chemical imprint yes beautiful absolutely and our receptors are thank you yeah and

our receptors are the antennas so it's like once this chemical docks into your receptor you get to experience the spirit of what that uh chemical was representing physically right so it's like I got to see this beautiful Vision once in one of my Journeys where yeah it's like your receptors are just little antennas that once it docks it it's like they turn on they go online uh it's like turn on the TV and you get to see what they are connecting to and the chemical itself is the instructions to the receptor right like you have the chemicals in aaska when they dock

into your receptor these chemicals are giving an instruction to your receptor saying turn on the TV in channel8 that's where you'll meet aaska you take this um um this chemical away and you put mescaline in it and then that's another set of instructions that says now turn the channel the the TV on channel 10 you will find mecal in there or the experience of masculine um and I think I did not answer to um one of your questions and I think I can do it pretty quickly which is that some people do experience uh mescalin as a spirit in the same way in which

you described aasa um some people experience mushrooms in the same way uh is experienced more as a father aaska is experienced more as a mother which um answers the question that we talked about at the beginning of the podcast um it's just people call it a mother because it it embodies that energy it's how it feels within and um and mushrooms are experienced as children and a lot of socie is without really even having these conversations colum like in Argentina that's how we call it we call it uh would you want to consume some noos um because they they embody that energy

and but if you didn't is simply uh where you're at what you need to see in each Journey it's not that everybody a lot of people don't experience aasa that's another way of saying it as a as an entity or as a mother and maybe they don't do it for 10 Journeys and then in the 11th they finally get to see her or quote unquote meet her um it also depends what you're most connected with and what it is it that you that you need um yeah but what you said really deeply resonates with me in

terms of the um energies Associated masculine and feminine associated with the plants um you know my interactions with siloc sidon has always felt a little mischievous and playful and a little like you know very childlike and my interaction with musculine of medicine and of s medicine has always felt very grounded in very like a masculine container of safety where I could explore and play and also very heartfelt like sitting in the heart space very deeply um and then the experience with iasa um you know she came to me as you know I had heard many times people refer to her as mother and

as a snake and you know as a grandmother and all these different entities but for me she actually felt like my higher self in a more mature older wiser fashion that as if the veil had thinned and my higher future self could come down and guide me and um talk me through some of these experiences and some of these past experiences that I could let go of that were no longer serving me and um how I could honor myself and love myself at a deeper level um and so it was just a really incredible experience with with all three of these particular plants and uh so

yeah your description really resonated with me and I I'd never heard that before awesome I'm glad I can give that perspective nice um so I think something that I would I'm very curious about and and I believe that you have touched on the topic before but in terms of um how the plant interacts neurologically um with your you know neurological Pathways and so I'm very interested in learning and understanding um what the plant is doing on a neurological level that even allows you to feel it or the the interaction with the medicine for weeks later um that allows you to

feel very open very sensitive very raw um and also allows one to feel as if there's space between the self and the ego and so what is happening neurologically that allows that to happen so neurologically what's going on is that uh iasa is reconnecting or opening um a pathway to your amigdala and so the amigdala is a part of your brain like an Ammond it looks like Ammond shaped very small down here um closer to your neck that it is in charge of storing uh stress response fearful memories um and like all of all all of the everything that's anxiety or fear related

we have a part of our brain dedicated to it uh so it makes sense that it would be a part that it is specifically dedicated to it because that plays a big part on our safety right um fear is actually a good thing fear is an instrument that we have that it is a defense mechanism to which without we if we wouldn't have fear Humanity wouldn't be here we would have died if you are not afraid of the lion coming to you naturally if you're not afraid of heights if you are not afraid of all

of the things that you're afraid of uh you would be more careless and you probably would die much sooner and if you bring that back thousands of years ago when there weren't that many humans probably we would not have managed to reproduce fast enough and survive so um the thing about fear too is that fear arises in moments of our it's important to note that fear we have two kinds of fears the ones that are hardwired that comes with the programming of being a human like the lion or the heights um but we also have learn fears so you might not be born fearful of men

but if your dad is abusive to you then you might grow up feeling that all all men are uh dangerous or maybe all men with glasses because your dad had glasses um so whatever it is there's certain fears that showed up as a learned experience in moments where you actually needed that fear so if your dad is abusive to you it it's healthy to be afraid so that you can put distance or so that you learn that if you wash your dishes then your dad will not be abusive or if your room is clean whatever the the threat is in that moment um however you grow up that is already programmed in

you you are living alone you are married to an awesome man um this fear is not really helping you in any way and so what it does is it starts doing the opposite what used to protect you now it's harming you right because you might still be afraid of your husband even though he might have never done anything to you and preventing you from having a healthier and loving relationship or you might be afraid of uh creating any um how do you say meaningful friendship with men that are wonderful around you so all of this is to say that certain fears who are stored in the amigdala

at some point they need to go away and it is great that we store them and if you think about it I do believe that we are meant to consume these plants because if there is a natural mechanism to store fears that are important for our survival then there must be a mechanism to get rid of them when they are not use for us anymore and since that doesn't happen naturally it must happen some other way and I do feel that if you want to call it God the universe life has put these plans on Earth for us as that mechanism that helps us reconnect with those fears let us know that that

is um that those things are old that they are need they need to get rid of or or let go of and and do that so neurolog I think I couldn't respond to your question only neurologically uh but I think now it would make more sense after all of that where neurologically what happens is that you are reconnecting there's a pathway reconnected to your amigdala so that you can reconnect with all of these fears and things that bring you anxiety so that you can finally let go or process them so you store them in the amigdala and and they are there like a vault that you keep in the basement

of your house waiting for you to one day be ready and be like okay I'm going to come to the basement I'm going to open the vault I'm not going to take care of everything at once because this vault is big and it has a lot of spider webs and I just can't do it all in one go but I'm going to start from whatever I find first or whatever I'm ready for um yeah yeah so what I was hearing oh and um I think oh yeah sorry for the lag uh and the other question you you asked which is why does it stay

with you after the experience is over is because what feels like um these thing staying with you is actually you living your life without this thing in the in The Vault and because it's new and you not used to it it's it's a new experience to to live your life without it you keep feeling it every day you wake up and you're like oh my God I feel so good oh my God the next day oh my God I feel so what's going on what's going on and what's going on is that you are still not used to

a state in which you have gotten rid of something that was weighing you down at some point you wake up and you don't feel that anymore not because the thing has come back but because you just simply got you sted and it became your new normal nice so um in terms of doing the inner work it sounds like medicine um is very supportive in helping identify um suppressed and oppressed fears and limiting outdated belief systems that at one point did serve Us in terms of protecting us um but uh that we still continue to utilize that are not of service of us to us any longer

and so the medicine allows us to extract um and understand our shadow States and to work through them in the ways that we do in ceremony and then to come out of ceremony um feeling a release and a relief um having worked through some of those um oppressed emotions or belief systems correct perfect summary that's what I do in my my line of work as a transformation mindset coach it just takes longer which you know interesting enough during my ceremony um that's what uh the consciousness of the plant had told me she said that um the work that I was doing was very

beautiful and um the path my journey that I've been on is very much in alignment with what I was learning from a and she said continue doing it she said the only difference is a brings all this energy up and out much quicker and she said you know and it moves so fast that you might not integrate or grab a hold of everything she said but she said in your mindfulness practices and in your Shadow work that you're doing as you extract and pull this up you're integrating it simultaneously she's like it just happen slower you know so it was really interesting my

interaction with a felt more like a conversation like what's happening between you and I it was a very like educational conversation of her walking me through the process of what I was experiencing um so yeah wonderful work beautiful awesome I'm happy to hear that you had such a positive experience um it it just when when I hear someone say the opposite it makes me sad because I know the potential for it and so I'm yeah I'm I'm happy that that that has been your experience and I hope that you'll continue to have many of these because they are so wonderful and so healing yeah for

myself I can I can definitely see myself doing it once a year or you know once every two years and um changing it up with different facilitators just to have you know new and different experiences so I'm actually looking forward to when I can work with you um and you know it's something that I can see being a part of my life to continue expanding and growing and um expanding my Consciousness which is the the next question I'd like to go into so we have we do understand where it works with um Shadows Shadow work essentially and um I'd like to learn a bit more in on the different ways that

it helps expand our Consciousness and support um self-awareness and uh the raising of our vibration um yeah so this will have less of a of a neurological explanation um I think this is where um where science starts where the tool of science is not the right tool for to to talk about these things where it it starts falling short um and that's where I would say maybe bringing a little bit of the conversation before where um aaska is represented the the raw energy of aaska is physically represented as this um alkaloids that dock into your receptors that are like antennas that help

you tune into a specific Channel now what is this channel that you are tuning into well that is when you get to go to this place where you have a guide in this case is aaska and and this guide carries a specific kind of wisdom um it doesn't carry with carrye I guess I what I mean is has access to or Channel so the wisdom is not something that we carry in my experience or that a Spirit Carries it's more like the wisdom is out there or in here which ends up being the same thing and and some of

it a portion of it is channeled through you like you you have access you're you're literally that you're a channel you're a vessel that for some specific unknown reason which is unique to you um you have that unique access to that portion of the wisdom and I believe that to be true not only for people but also for spirits and so iasa channels or has access to a specific kind of wisdom and when you drink her what you are basically doing is you're authorizing her to start channeling that kind of wisdom within you and bring it to you now what that wisdom is that she has CH asked access

to is all of the things that you were mentioning with your question uh she channels the wisdom of compassion of forgiveness of letting go of things that don't serve you anymore she um can allow for things that you are not willing to do yourself but that you're ready to finally do it right and I do always comment on Readiness because people are like I'm afraid that I'm not going to be able to handle it or that it will be too much and what I say to that is that if is if the ceremon is properly held if the ceremony is not properly held then yes that can happen uh but if the ceremony is

properly held then that cannot happen because she a part of her wisdom is to or part of the wisdom that she channels is to meet you exactly where you're at and sometimes you don't know where you're at and she knows better she it's like she goes inside of you goes into your amigdala goes into your brain and it's like oh this is where this person is at and also this is where this person believes they are at they believe they are weak they believe that their limitations are this big uh they believe that they don't deserve love but but where they are at is like they are ready

to know that they are worthy of Love they are ready to know that their limits are not here but they are here they are they're ready for all of these things so what aaska does is a catalyzer u that pushes you or moves you into the places that you already that are within the limits of your own boundaries but that are are outside of the limits that you think you are in which is why the experience can be for moments uncomfortable it's because she's pushing you outside of your own beliefs of where you're at but still within the limits of what you are capable of holding so

yeah and you know healing will seems to me that it is moving towards the vibration of love compassion forgiveness and uh meeting yourself where you're at self-acceptance letting go of Shame letting go of fears that don't serve you anymore but keeping the ones that do and accepting them and loving those parts of yourself uh loving your Shadow let loving the parts of you that are living and that can be such a meaningful experience that as you said it raises your vibration what that means is that when you are in the presence of someone that has stepped into that place you feel higher you

feel there is something about this being that has risen beautiful thank you I know on your YouTube channel you um have posted your thoughts uh regarding diet um before going into ceremony and um the scientific reasoning behind it and kind of removing the woo M um and and really allowing people to have a better understanding as to why to Omit certain things from their diet um prior to going in um and you've also alluded to uh some of the downfalls of um what can happen if you smoke marijuana prior to going in to um receive iasa and I was wondering if you could touch on

that a little bit yeah um the benefits of doing the diet before the ceremony are there's there's two one one aspect is actually physiological in which certain foods and medications do interact directly with um the part of aasa that inhibits an enzyme in your body called monoamino oxidase that it is in charge of metabolizing certain it's in charge of metabolizing a lot of things in your body out of which some of them are consumed through foods that create certain effect for example if you consume rasberries they cont or aged cheese or pork you are consuming um a lot of

tyramine and tyramine raises your blood pressure now tyramine happens to be that you metabolize it through am monomin oidas am monomin oxidase since aaska inhibits this enzyme by inhibiting it means that the tyramine present in your body is not going to be metabolized and your blood pressure is going to be higher creating headaches and if you are if you already have high blood pressure or you are diabetic then you you are in risk of a stroke from too high blood pressure and weak weak veins um so there are aspects of the diet uh that are physiological the same with anti-depressants of

the selective serotonin retic inhibitor or ssris in which among I mentioned that this this enzyme monomin oxidase or Mao it um is in charge of metabolizing many things one of them is serotonin so if you take anti-depressants and you have a lot of Serotonin floating around and on top of that you remove the possibility of metabolizing it with aasa by inhibiting this enzyme then you have a lot of Serotonin and you cannot metabolize it which means even more serotonin floating around which can create serotonin syndrome seizures and death and so this is the physiological aspect of

it this is one good reason to um prevent certain foods and medications now then there is the part that is I would say equally as important which is the psychological aspect of it certain aspects of your diet are trauma based so overeating or being um uh how do you say the opposite um when or like if you have like Pro like like any eating disorder when you eat too little or when you eat too much or maybe you drink coffee every single morning because you have been taught that you need to wake up and go straight to overperforming like you can't let your body wake up at its natural state

uh state or or Rhythm you need to wake up and go straight to work right like a lot of people have this um and there's many many other parts of our diet that we consume them from a place that at some point as we said with fears where was the right thing for us even if it wasn't the healthiest but that we might be in a different stage of our life and ready to change that so it is important to follow this diet so that you can get rid of or start the process of getting rid of

all of your old parts of your diet okay I'm going to backtrack for a second you don't know which parts of your diet are trauma based so the best thing now I'm back the best thing that you can do is kind of like Get rid of all of it do your ceremony and you're going to find self love in places that you didn't you're going to understand which parts of yourself are based on trauma so that when you go back into your everyday diet you might feel like wait a second I don't need to drink coffee to wake up like I need to wake up at I'm I'm so much more connected now with to

me it's more important now how my body wants to wake up than to perform or to achieve uh because I Found Love in places of myself that I didn't before that were related to if I overachieve then I'm going to be loved it happens to a lot of people where their parents were loving if they had good grades in school and they were punishing if they didn't right so you you you start associating love with achieving and then later on in life you must achieve and coffee supports that so it is pretty incredible how much of our diet can be trauma based even in this minutia in these

little details um so this is I would say one of the main reasons to do your diet to do a diet so that you can heal these suspects and then realize that some of those things are not serving you anymore and uh leave space for whatever it does so um just a recap what I'm hearing is that by um indulging in a clean Diet before you go into ceremony means in a way that you're carrying a little bit less baggage to take with you into the ceremony which is the kind of unraveling process which means that you're working with truly what is energetically ingrained in you that needs to come

up and be processed and that there is really no barrier to that and coming out of ceremon um you recognize what form of eating what part of your diet was actually trauma based and so entering into your new State of Consciousness from what you've learned through your ceremony you can understand where you were perpetuating programming or limited outdated belief systems that most likely are trauma based and you can start showing up for yourself in a different way so it's it's empowering you to to Really cleanse and to to go into it clean and come out of it

clean yeah yeah you got it beautiful thank you and um and then we're going to touch on the the marijuana aspect yeah I haven't made a video on this yet even though I am dying to make a video on it for many reasons one is that people ask about it all the time uh second is because I believe it's really important uh very very important and maybe in a minute you'll understand why but the reason why I haven't done it yet is because I don't believe I will be gaining many followers with that video if anything I'll probably gain a lot of detractors well I'm always up for an unpopular

opinion awesome um yeah so I guess if you are a marijuana smoker I am giving you a potential trigger warning that this following I'm going to do my best I've been trying to do my best to um be as soft and compassionate as I can and to understand this and explain it in a way that even the most Fanatics of marijuana can still receive it um but as this pre kind of introduction to what I'm going to say seems to be uh clearly depicting is that I am not in favor of this plant um so let's start there I'm I'm going to make my position clear but I'm happy to explain why

is that and that is um if since we're talking about aasa I think it would make sense for the explanation to compare them and what I want to compare is one specific aspect of it which is that with aasa what you are doing is going towards the those part of yourself that you are finally ready to confront but but that are within within or close to your limits those things that you became an expert in ignoring those things that are really painful that are hard to confront and so it is the exact opposite of running away it is going towards toward towards the pain towards those

things that you ignored towards those things that were um too painful at some point that you weren't ready and now you're finally moving towards that uh aasa takes you to the root cause so that you can address it and never experience the pain of that again whatever it is that it is taking you towards so it is exact opposite of a numbing mechanism it's like if drinking alcohol is a way of numbing um drinking aasa is a way of undr yourself it's almost as if you would be drunk in your sober State and you're taking the drinking away they are like moving towards those things

that that are hard to face now what I think before we even talk about marijuana we need to touch upon numbing mechanisms in general and this is where I started finding a lot of compassion for marijuana smokers or any any other drinkers um heavy drug users um people addicted to porn or to news it doesn't matter what it is I all of all of the things that I mentioned including marijuana are numbing mechanisms this means that you feel your pain less you run away from from your pain or you know if running away feels like too strong it's at least putting a a little bit more distance between

you and your pain now how does numbing mechanisms why why are numbing mechanisms okay numbing mechanisms are okay because sometimes healing something takes a set of conditions you need to find the right healing tool you need to find the right moment you need to be ready you need to have the right facilitator or the right support um and as you are finding those things it might be too painful to deal with certain things if you cannot sleep right or if life is extremely unfulfilling and smoking marijuana takes that away even if it is for a day or while the effects of marijuana are

present then I I I could never judge this I used to I want to be clear I used to but I I am in a place where I don't judge this anymore because I understand that I also numb my pain in the places in which are too painful and also I couldn't find a solution for it yet so numbing mechanisms if you will are a way of buying time as you seek for real healing right so I can't deal with this and also I don't have a solution something's got to give well okay let's numb the pain now what's the

problem that has arisen in our society is that we are using numbing mechanisms not for what they are meant for which is to buy you time as you seek for real healing but as a replacement for real healing so it's it's a little bit dangerous because if you don't feel your pain you might have less you will have less of a um how do you say incentive or motivation to to heal it yeah I don't feel it so what's a big deal right it's like I all I need to do is keep and and I'm going to change marijuana

now for anti-depressants or sleeping pills or ibuprofen or like I have a headache every day but it doesn't matter because every day I can pop this ibuprofen and it goes away when the headache might be telling you hey you have a disc in your neck that it is out of place just go to a chiropractor and you'll be fine if you don't have the the possibility of ibuprofen you might deal with a headache enough times that at some point you'll be like oh my God I can't deal with this anymore I need to take care of it so you are going to start seeking for a solution which will lead you

to finding it MH but if you have the ibuprofen you might have less of a motivation so what marijuana does is it can help people sleep better it can help people not feel their unfulfillment in life it can help people make um become more creative it can help people um enjoy sex much better um so in a way you're like oh what's the problem with that well the problem with that is that you might be able to enjoy sex as much if you find the reason why you are not enjoying it which could be based

on um your own sexual trauma that you need to go find release and heal um and that you will probably have less of a motivation to do so if you have this tool that helps you numb that pain so um one of the dangers with marijuana is that it is used it is seen as benign it is not seen as an naming mechanism um it started in the US becoming legal as a med medical you know he started as this medical marijuana and that name by itself already tells you oh it's a medicine it's meant but

medicines heal you medicines take you to the root cause this is why I was comparing it with aaska um and marijuana makes you not feel your pain which is why you don't hear people drink awasa every day but you do hear people smoking marijuana not only you hear people smoking marijuana every day that is the most common thing either people don't smoke or they smoke every day of course there's those who smoke once every three months once a year I am not wanting to dismiss those people but I think it is important to understand where we are at as a society as a whole and either people smoke all the

time whether it is every day or twice a week um doesn't matter or they just don't and and I think that speaks a lot for the um for the character and the spirit of this plant and what I've noticed is that people have a really hard time not smoking those who are smoking it every day a very very hard time it is hard for me I don't think I ever heard someone being like Oh my God I can't drink aasa this week oh I'm dying like you know I really really need it what you might hear is someone say

like wow I do have these things to work on I don't I don't know I would like to I would like to have a help in this but with marijuana yeah like I've I've seen so many people struggle so so much and I feel like that struggle is the thing that I want to bring to you dear listener who loves weed and who's uh really triggered by this conversation think about that struggle think about how hard it is not to have it that to me is a red flag and going into the spiritual realm through aasa

so many times I had conversations with the spirit of marijuana and the spirit of marijuana was very clear with me because Spirits don't lie you know lying is more like a human quality to get out of trouble um but Spirits Spirits are not in trouble at least not in in the same way in which we are and my conversations many conversations with her she was always clear she's like yeah I am here to help people not feel their pain and we are making a contract the contract is you are going to smoke me and what I'm going to give you is a relief from your pain whether you are aware of it or

not or not a relief your of your pain might feel like better sex or might feel like a movie that it is funnier um or a um or sleeping better um you might not feel that that's what I'm doing but that is ultimately what I'm doing and what I'm going to ask for you is your life uh your life force so and here's another here's another so basically you are giving your life force um to weed and weed is giving you something so that you feel that giving your life force away is worth it but that's why

it's called weed a weed in the plant world like not marijuana but any weed what it does is it's a plant that sucks up all the resources that are around it so and the plants around it starts dying and that is a spirit that people are inviting in without knowing at all what kind of contract they are signing because this is part of her spirit is to have this in extremely fine print where pretty much nobody will know and one of her tricks is to give you a lot at first and ask very little of you so it feels like such a good deal if I'm like here's this uh brand new Ferrari and

it's going to cost you $1,000 you'll be like duh there's an no-brainer uh like I'm buying it right now and then next time it's like I'm gonna give you a Honda and it's gonna cost you $3,000 it's like okay still a good deal not not as good as the last time but still good and you it it starts like luring you in and eventually um because you have been getting so much for so little your body starts missing that those times where you got so much out of out of each one so the way in which we deal with that is by smoking more and more and more and more so that we can try

to get what we used to at some point and with each time she gots she's got got to closer uh more hooked up into her cloths and keep sucking and sucking and sucking all of of your life force and that's why the general I know a lot of people are going to say well that's not me fine that's great it doesn't act the same way in everybody but generally speaking people who smoke a lot tend to leave things for tomorrow have a little bit less of willpower um they are more on the couch less active and um it reduces the people's vibration we were talking about the vibration because it

Tak you away from facing and facing your pain um it also takes away your power it takes away this idea that you can heal yourself um where AAS is like drink me release and don't drink me again because it is you who's healing marijuana is like you are going to feel good as long as you're with me the day that you stop you're going to feel crappy again and so instead of giving the power back to you it makes you depend on her and give the power to her so I feel like that summarizes uh I have I really have a lot more to say about it but it's a much dangerous plant than what it

seems to be because what maybe the last thing I want to say is anybody who takes cocaine or heroin even though those plants are probably more dangerous and more um harmful in one way they are also more clear into the deal that you are signing in this contract somebody doing heroin knows that they are about to mess their life up somebody doing cocaine knows that they are going to have neurotoxicity and that they are going to be you know famously chasing the dragon they know it and they are consciously or somewhat consciously deciding on that but marijuana is tricky because

you don't know what you're assigning and the phe that it is out there of her is that she is good for you and that she's a medicine I wholeheartedly agree with everything that you just said and you know what I have to add to that is many of the people that I know who do smoke marijuana I think would even agree with you to some degree um in recognizing that the use of marijuana is usually used as a form of disassociation from and a lot of my friends who are highly intellectual very intelligent in their head a lot will say you know I use it to calm down in the evening

so that I can start to settle down and relax otherwise I'm in my head and I'm up until 3:00 a.m. being creative and doing things right and so it's almost as though they're using it as a form of control over like ADHD or something um and you know what we do recognize of marijuana is that when it became medical grade it was used for uh people with cancer to help um disassociate from the pain that they were feeling the nausea from um going through chemotherapy it it was not it's always been a plant Ed to dissociate and to distract rather than to to give right such as iasa

is is very much a plant that is giving and pouring into you versus marijuana is to distract and pull away and you know something that I would like to bring to the viewer's attention who who may disagree with this is swap out so the amount of times that you're consuming the marijuana per day swap that out for alcohol if you were consuming alcohol at the rate at which you consume marijuana you would be considered an alcoholic so why is it not the same for the amount of consumption regarding marijuana and alcohol is very much dissociating burying numbing yourself removing

you from the root and to focus on the root and when I came out of my iasa uh ceremony I had absolutely no interest and touching alcohol again and it wasn't even um really a cognitive Choice it wasn't something I had to think about I just was repulsed by it and you know that's a pretty big statement because my former life I was a SoMo Y and wine director for many years and so I made my living off of you know working with some of the most beautiful Wines in the world similar to our dear friend Jennifer estas who also transitioned away from it and so as I started working with the

plant I became more and more energetically repulsed by things that were pulling me away from myself and I recognized that alcohol through my meditation was numbing my ability to be very sensitive to self and to receive the messages that were meant for me to receive and to really focus on the healing um that I needed to heal and so with my clients um that are trying to do the inner work the first thing that I ask them is to stop their consumption of alcohol and then the second thing that I ask them is to remove themselves off of dating sites and then we move forward so

I I 100% agree with you on this and thank you for sharing um you know it's big it it takes a lot to be the voice that goes against the norm or to be the unpopular voice and you know I also think it's you know it's avanguard and that you know you're just maybe a few years to a decade ahead of the Consciousness that will become more mainstream of recognizing what you're saying to be very true thank you lania um that's very reassuring um I think that being that voice also comes with a lot of self-doubt for moments right if it's like only you who's going against the current um I

don't feel that way anymore but it's still there's still hints of it and I think every time that I hear comments like yours and people agreeing on or or that they were thinking this things already um it's it's it's validating and it does help me uh yeah stay in that truth and um I think because he somewhat a vantard as you were saying I also realized that in order for it to not be a vguard to because in a way I don't want it to be a vard I want it I I I both like that term and

also I feel like it also means that people are not going to get it and my intention is really for people to get it because I do want to live in a world where everyone is closer to a more healed version of themselves right and in order to do that um there needs to be an awareness that we are all using numbing as a replacement for healing and so if that awareness by itself can can at least maybe one person who hears this say like wait a second I don't want a numb I thought this was okay because I that's the um that's kind of like the the the vibe that's around

the energy of this plant right that it is it's okay it's not the same as alcohol it's not the same as cocaine is is way way more friendly it's not as harmful and I want to say at least plant the seed into your viewers that maybe maybe that is not true maybe it is as harmful in different ways might not be as neurotoxic or it might not be as uh hard on your liver like alcohol but it might still be as harmful in ways that you might have not yet thought of or explored and if somebody can be like okay I'm going to at least consider it and I'm going to consider

that this is numbing and that there is something that we are that we could use instead of numbing which is healing um to create the same effect if you heal you might be able to go back to sleep without depending on anything or you might enjoy life or you might enjoy sex or you might whatever it is that your numbing mechanism is taking away then why not right beautiful and so yeah the very Foundation of you know my coaching practice as well as this podcast and the intention um that is being set is to introduce compassionate self- inquiry and to support it and so the message very

much is is if this triggers you question it further lean into it because there's something there and um the foundation of this work in this podcast is is self-awareness and open-mindedness because it's the opposite on the pendulum swing of Dogma right and that is where expansion is and that is where growth is and so these are the conversations to be had not to skirt around them these are very much the conversations that will support us in our um expansion of consciousness and I love having people on this podcast and having these conversations myself and I love

being triggered because that's an open door for me to explore myself deeper and further and to resolve whatever root it is that is there and so I'm really hoping that the listeners are participating in that mindset as well or at least entertaining it for a little while that's such a great reminder I think that was a perfect way uh to close at least this topic that we were talking about it's like it's okay to be triggered and you can use it as an opportunity it's also okay if you are not ready to use it as an opportunity and you want

or all you're ready for is to acknowledge that you're triggered but still be overtaken by it um it's also okay to do that if you can bring some awareness that that is what's going on and if you're ready to be happy or for a part of you to be okay with being triggered so that you can explore um then wonderful then this has gotten you one step closer to your healing so I think that was a great comment at the end thank you Ivan so um in closing uh I want to ask you how do you feel is there anything that you would like to Circle back to is there something that

you would like to touch on that we didn't um do you or do you feel complete in our discussion today let me see if something shows up I feel I feel very hopeful I dealt with hopelessness I think that's how I want to end um maybe or add I felt very hopeless for a very long time most of my life hopeless around the idea that we are going to reach as a human species a threshold of Harmony within ourselves and within each other I am not as I'm not talking about Perfect Harmony I'm not talking about no

one ever gets angry ever about anything um I am talking about a threshold that feels to me of what would be like to live in a society that we are all happier to be living than than not happier like where we are more happy than less happy and I don't think that I'm pretty sure that we are have not passed that threshold I feel like most people are not not living in that way in that harmonious or closer to Harmony way and for a very long time through Wars through through um lack of compassion that I see from people to each other to themselves from parents having kids when they are

not ready and um traumatizing them uh past places that are irreparable basically through all of the things that I get to see in ceremony that people bring I have been feeling very hopeless for a very long time um which is interesting because I work on helping people do healing and what I get to see all the time is people doing healing so you would think like out of all the people is it you who's hopeless and I would say yes that's I think I'm also being Overexposed to How Deeply traumatized everybody is and perpetuates that trauma and so and that is also part of my trauma hopelessness

is a deep wound within me that I am being slowly healing for the parts that I was ready to heal which have been a very slow process and so with that I want to say that I've been feeling more hopeful lately and conversations like the ones that we're having right now knowing that this kind of uh talks and conversations are being put out there uh not only by you or I but also there's so many more that are um that have this level of awareness and intention it makes me more hopeful and I don't think we're anywhere close to where I wish we would be but I do feel that we're on

that direction and even if I don't live to see it cross that threshold what I am hoping is to leave this world better than the way we inherited and if it's not our kids our grandkids but for the generations to come to live in that place and for them to say somebody has started or has been a part of this process and I believe that I am seeing Our Generation do that and that it gives me a lot of Hope beautiful thank you so I would like to end this uh conversation with one last question it's a two-part question so based on your subjective experience what is consciousness

and what is one tool or skill that our viewers um can do to help uh raise or expand their Consciousness I would say Consciousness is the awareness of self so it's basically the understanding that you are and you can be become more conscious with time which means that your awareness that you are grows and one tool to help that is meditation um meditation I want to also demystify it really quickly by telling you that you viewer not not you L maybe you L too um that meditation is does not not necessarily have to be hard does not have to be is not meant only for gurus or yoga teachers

um or spiritual people you can be a non-spiritual atheist plumber or electrician um or uh a tax tax Guy and um you can still do meditation and it is much easier than what it might sound and you might say I already tried it and it didn't work for me and that is probably because it has been not taught properly or too complicated and meditation is as simple as sitting and practicing awareness practicing awareness as uh or Consciousness as we were just talking is I am you can sit and say right now I am and you can go as far far as saying this is how I'm feeling I am liking this

I am not liking this it is not about having deep thoughts or finishing the meditation in a great place or grateful or any of these things that a lot of meditation teachers um try to to take their their students toward it can simply be as sitting and being with yourself and if you do that enough you will get better at it and and you will have more Consciousness you would be more aware of who you are how you're feeling and I feel like that really enriches life a lot beautiful Ivonne I want to um I just want to express my gratitude and um acknowledge you

for your contributions and your acts of service and um how you're supporting the collective and those who are really wanting to to to do the inner work and um and I just want to say thank you thank you very much thank you lania thank you for this space thank you for amplifying my voice into your audience and into the world thank you for the work that you do and for the amplifying the voice of others and being a part of this beautiful Collective Awakening uh I'm also really grateful you've given me this opportunity thank you so much I appreciate it [Music]