The Intuitive Revolution Podcast

are you searching for a deeper understanding of yourself and your place in the world do you yearn for more balance more peace and purpose in your life we look no further than the intuitive Revolution podcast your trusted source for holistic insights and intuitive guidance I'm your host Alicia ferelli and I am ready to take you on a journey to Inner Peace and balanced wellbeing welcome back to the intuitive Revolution podcast you guys we have such an amazing guest today all our guests are amazing but this one's going to be super special we have Ivon coming from

us from Argentina going to talk to us a little bit about psychedelics um and how he got into his journey of mindfulness and doing this type of work so welcome to the show thank you so much Alicia pleasure to be here so Ivon tell us a little bit because you have a background in engineering and Western psychology correct yeah tell us how you got into doing what you're doing now because it's such an interesting feel that you're in now yeah yeah I would say it was a very unlikely outcome for who I used to be I

was raised atheist and very skeptical very loving of science my mind was always numbers loved math and chemistry and all that pretty atheist pretty skeptical so to be a medicine facilitator today is uh it's one of those things that what today I call the cosmic joke which is like I feel like God is always laughing at everything and you can take the word God as however you like uh take it from somebody who used to be a aist right uh not not like the gospel um yeah it's kind of like a very unlikely outcome um but ironic and fun

honestly it ended up being that a friend of mine invited me to uh do aasa uh for years yes I kept saying no no that's not for me that's not my thing uh I'm into Healthy Living drugs are bad for you you know I was kind of like my dad was very old school I was born when she was 55 so when I was already a growing adult she was a senior here so a lot of people thought she was my grandpa and and so you know kind of old mentality and that's what I grew up with so I was like

that's not for me uh I'm into sports healthy living healthy eating uh you know go take your drug somewhere else and then one day after years of him insisting I finally said yes and I would say now looking back it was most likely it felt like it was an intuition back then I would not have known what that really meant I mean obviously I heard what it was obviously but it was it was wasn't something that I was consciously connected with I was connected with but not consciously I wouldn't have called it that way yeah so now I know it was um

strong intuition that I had to say yes it became that experience the most meaningful profound and transformative night of my life that completely changed the course of my life not only because I'm a PL medicine facilitator today but even if I wouldn't have worked with it as a as somebody who basically provides this experience it still was so meaningful so profound one of the main things was that that night is when I stopped becoming an atheist and that didn't mean like oh I turned to Jesus and like I'm alling for God like it's not like that it was like this idea

of I was it's like my soul was asleep and so it couldn't become aware of itself and then it was awoken and then it was like I am maybe like similar to the transition which is much slower from when you are a child and you don't still know that you are at some point during pre- teenage like at some point you are like I am you know you I am a human I exist I have Consciousness so it was that but at the soul level yeah and so that set me it was so meaningful that I

decided I really wanted to make sure that as many people as I could or that could be possible to to have this experience and so I first started organ ing Ceremonies for my teacher and then eventually I ended up becoming a facilitator myself I love that you had this came in from an atheist standpoint so people think when you come out of I guess atheism if you want to call it that um that you have to find a certain religion that you have to go a certain direction like you're either going to go you the

Christian path or the Muslim path or the Jewish or something like you have to find this but you just like there's something else more out there and you didn't really have to definition to to have to go down a certain path with it you just the realization that there is definitely a more Divine divine nature out there than what we're you know what you what you believe PR previously so that's such a fascinating thing because I people all the time to come out most of the time they're like yes I Found Jesus or I found this and you know they

found an actual pathway but just like you kept yours open to the the Curiosity yeah and as it evolved I started feeling that everybody is right so you know how you know if you're a Christian and like oh all the other religions are wrong or sure a Muslim um and I really feel that I don't know that was my experience and continues to be that it's like if it got into someone's brain or heart is because there is something out there that it might not be exactly what they describe with the words but that there is an

experience maybe there is no such a thing as Jesus but there is an experience of that yeah um and that that can be felt and in in one way there is one way which for sure is real and that is in the way in which he changes people so you are receiving a feeling if you will or a message or whatever that is and that changes people's behaviors and so at the very least is real in that way and where are you getting that from it doesn't matter where it is the the point is that you're

getting it and the same I I mentioned Jesus but it could be the same with any of the other religions and all of the other things that are not a organized religion and so that openness has has been key to being open to so many other things in in my life so I'm yeah it was really funny to me to look back and think like a little tiny ant understands what a skyscraper is so it's like of course if you are not open to the idea that there's something much bigger than you you're never going to believe it's

there even if it's right in front of your eyes so that was kind of like part of the Awakening moment yeah I feel like if you're not open to their like you said there being something bigger than you then you're limiting your growth because I think we can only grow so far because in our you know conscious like state of mind that we are um we can only grow so far and it takes that extra power um of connecting into the divine within yourself to actually to start expand out and that to me that's like

that's what you know coming into you your Awakening is is that oh whoo there's wait there's more out there than me and there's so much more growth that I have to do um and it's such an amazing a beautiful experience and there's one more thing that I want to make a comment on this topic around atheism and is that with time I realize what atheism is and Atheism is obviously this is my own personal opinion is a closing a complete closing of the crown chakra and so the the Shakra obviously is a system that is

experienced and interpreted and talked about mainly from the Indian and and the Hindi part of the world and there could be other ways of describing it but that's one way in which it has been pretty accepted and and everyone or a lot of people knows know what what I'm talking about and so the seventh chakra is your connection to Divinity if it's completely closed then you have no connection to D and if you can have it or ever experience it you are going to be an atheist because it makes it's like asking somebody who was born blind to

really believe what a color is and they might want to try they might try to believe others they might be even open to it but if they're not feeling it they have no idea what you're talking about and so what that experience did to me was open it up and when it opened up is when it's like giving eyes back to the blind now why can that happen why can your crown chakra be closed well that is part of where ology comes in and a lot of the work that I do with medicine is not just spiritual as a

matter of fact my background science has helped a lot in trying to bring logic and a little bit more of the engineering side and psychology into his work which is very very very spiritual and there's nothing wrong with it but one of the issues is that all of the other aspects of it science and and psychology which play a big role in it are dismissed and I am that's why I'm so grateful for for my atheist and scientific background because now I learned to merge them together so in the example of having your crown chakra closed is all based on

trauma and so in the case of my parents my parents were very adamant about telling me that God didn't exist why is that is because they have been traumatized by their parents in ways in which that mindset and even belief system kept them safe and if if their parents wouldn't have been the way they were which I'm not going to go into detail because it doesn't matter yeah um then their need to feel safe in that way wouldn't have been so strong and maybe they would have been more open to it so it is the trauma itself that has closed

that it can close any of your other chakras and it can close any of the other millions of parts that we are all composed of so yeah so that's a little little tiny bit of how you can mix psychology and spirituality yeah I love that so I want to dig into this because there's a lot of medicine going around um there's a lot of people in their backyards doing iasa doing all these things saying they're going to they're going to you know this I did it one time I'm going to help my friend do

it so talk to us a little bit about the importance of having someone who is grounded and a safe environment and brings a psychology background to it um to create that safe environment you know great question um you're going to go through what are most potentially um vulnerable states of your entire existence when you do something like this because these plants what they do is they open up exactly what I was talking about all your traumas and all the parts of yourself that need to heal and these parts are tender and they are vulnerable and they are soft and they

are in pain and they are hurting and there's a little child in there within you that has not gotten their needs met so all of these things when they open up you are exposing your core and in those moments two things can happen and the point of the medicines opening all of these up is so that they can be healed so either you get somebody who knows what to do with all of that so if somebody if I give you this medicine and I don't know let's say that some PTSD from some form of abuse comes up what

does that part of you need and the I wish it would be like Emanual where okay every time that PTSD comes up this is what you do but it it is not the case every case is individual the needs of each person are very unique to that person even if the situation was the same let's say abuse for one person abuse for the other they might need completely different things if I manage as a facilitator to give that to you which does not mean that I am necessarily giving something but it could be that I am holding this space

properly for you to be okay with what happened or to bring acceptance or for maybe you do need somebody to give you a hug in the right moment because part of your trauma was that your parents never express love to you through touch right um and so each situation is unique if I manage to do that then the trauma heals and then you go home have more healed version of yourself that's going to experience life in a much more Joyful Way or it can be the other way around where where I don't give you what you

need maybe I do exactly what it has been done already to you that traumatized you and so I am validating the trauma what I'm basically saying is that I am reinforcing it you go home convinced now that the world is against you that you're not worthy of love that um you are things are your fault that you should be ashamed of who you are or whatever that is it gets reinforced and so rather than healing it reinforces the trauma and then you go home with a less capacity to then heal in the future if you don't know what you're doing if if

you have helped drunk aaska five times and now you think that you know what you're talking about then there is a massive chance that you're going to hurt people more than what you're are helping them so and that's how I would answer to that yeah great answer I just wanted to C to like make that distinct there is so much you know coming coming out for the people think they can do you know the healing work theirselves which it's great because our bodies can heal theel you know but having that the professional guidance is so important I

think when you're dealing with psychedelic key absolutely key so talk to us a little bit about the different types of psychedelics um and what you what you help guide people through with those uhuh okay so there are plenty first you have natural psychedelics made by plants or animals and then you have synthetic psychics made by humans in a lab I am not necessarily in favor of one over the other so some people say like oh this is natural it should be good yeah there are plants that kill you right you know there some plants that

are poisonous there's yeah there's animals that are poisonous and in the same way there are synthetic psychedelics that can be extremely healing but this is maybe how I would start dividing them now there are psychedelics that allow for recreational use as much as for therapeutic ceremony use I would say LSD and MDMA within the uh synthetics fall into both categories if you take LSD with a facilitator or MDMA with a facilitator in a ceremonial setting it is very likely that you're going to go through a very healing experience that will stay with you for the rest of your life in a positive way

but also they allow for recreational use you a lot of people I would say most people take them in parties and stuff like that the same with plants mushrooms allow you to take them in ceremonial settings as much as in party settings there are other psychotics like AAS is one of them ioga is another one or peori where they just don't allow you to do that to to take it in a party or in a recreational setting it is extremely rare that somebody would come to a ceremony with the intention of having a great time I mean I Le you think that diving

deep into your traumas is having a great time um I mean it ends up being that everybody leaves the ceremony so grateful they came but it's a little bit different right that's a different approach if you think you're having going to come having a great time the plants are going to very quickly show you where you are actually at so what are some tips for leading up to having one of these healing sessions what are some things that people need to prepare for very first thing is please don't go to any random facilitator if you find found a

facilitator on the internet Don't Go including myself if you found this podcast somewhere and you're like oh I like what that guy is saying I I'm Still A Guy on the internet so don't come to me why am I saying that it's because as you were saying before like there's the the backyard people there's the people who have done this five times but also there's the people who have been doing this for 20 years and are still out of Integrity or they follow a very very specific tradition that to them is important to follow but maybe that's not

land with who you are in in my case for example my first time I did not do it with a traditional shaman because I was an atheist so for me to have somebody talk to me about spirits and angels and demons and come with feathers and do like all of the whole shamanic shabang hard thing to say shamanic shabang that's should be like a term that yeah yeah totally um I would not have felt safe I'll would be like I don't relate to you I don't believe the things you are talking about you will not understand me

I'm going to talk to you about tell me about neur receptors and you are not going to have a glue of what I'm saying so I would be like this is not for me um and maybe that person is a great Shaman and has been doing it for 30 years but you need to kind of like match in that way so this is important why you must go to someone who somebody recommends you you know basically have somebody some guinea pig go for you if a friend said like yeah I've been there and seek for

integrity like a person that really is doing this because they really believe in it and their heart their heart is in it somebody that you can relate to as I was talking about with atheism and super spiritual sh or if you're super spiritual and you get a psychologist that might also not be the person for you so it's good to ask all of these questions um I actually made a video on YouTube about the questions to ask to your facilitator before you go so that you see if it's a good match um the main intention is to feel safe if

you feel like you can relate if the facilitator knows what they're doing and they show that if you feel like it's a good match if your friend told you don't worry you're in safe hands then you're going to come there feeling okay with the openness of your vulnerability and all the the things that we talked about earlier you might still be nervous you might still be like why am I about to do is exactly because of that it's important to maximize the sense of safety as before you get there and these are ways to do that yeah I love that you

brought that up um and that you're you're like don't just come see me it's don't come see me unless you actually have you know conversation to make sure I'm a good fit because I see so many people out there on the answer on the answer on the answer and they're not necessarily the answer and so if we come together as different healers and different people and start to know that we have our right people that will need to come to our path and other people need to go another path I think that's super important and I'm very glad that

you brought that out yeah so I do want to before I do want to touch on this thing of our demons real sure yeah so tell us philosophy I'm going to call it philosophy but what is your take on what demons are are they real and then how if they are how do people start to overcome them MH I love that question so again thanks to my atheist background I can really connect with the most skeptical people so if you're a skeptical person if you're a super atheist or whatever know that this is coming from somebody who really gets you

who used to be that way I am convinced demons are real and but what I am not convinced about is what they are how they look or if if there's even a way to imagine them with the limitations of our minds but again kind of like what I was saying before that if you don't believe in Jesus at the very least is real in the ways in which it affects people this is the same this is somehow a little bit similar where sometimes people do things that go against their own well-being you did it I did it we all continue to do it

I'm sure whoever's listening to this I'm sure you've done things that have gone against yourself and sometimes we do that consciously with which is if you think about it logically how does that make any sense why would anyone do anything that goes against themselves consciously sometimes it's unconscious it just why why would anyone be like I'm going to do this and I know I'm going to regret it but I'm going to do it anyway it just makes no sense however we all go through it that happens with revenge for example you did this to me I'm going to do this

to you and something in your heart tells you that's not the right way and you're going to regret it and then you do it and then you do regret it and then two years later you're in a similar situation and then you're like oh I remember revenge is not good and then you do it again so there's something pulling you to do those things there's something putting those thoughts in your mind like take revenge or I don't know maybe let's say just to give a complete different example you have eaten a um whole pound of ice cream

when your boyfriend broke up with you and you didn't feel good about it the next day and you regretted it and you're like never again and then similar situation happens and you're like ah screw it I'm going to eat another pound of ice cream like right like why would you do things that you know you'll regret what is like that ah screw it I'll do it anyway what is that what where where is that coming from well it doesn't matter where it's coming from but what we can definitely feel is that there is a force or something pulling us

in that direction that force is what I call a demon it is a force that makes us do things that are ultimately against our own well-being now of course people can be like well you're just angry or you're just sad or you're just this no demon and I get what that thought is I I totally understand it I sometimes even go through that myself but I'm but with time I realize this sadness or this anger or maybe you feel betrayed or whatever that is it is within those feelings that those forces live in or that the thing

that generates those forces whether is within a feeling or not there is a force and it's making you do those things that thing is what I call a demon and then once you start opening up to them you slowly start realizing how much how many of them they are everywhere at all times and how much of where the world is set in the ways in which we don't like it and wish it would change it is basically driven by these forces the world is dominated by what I would call demonic forces because a lot of people

are constantly doing things that go against their own wellbeing or against the wellbeing of others which if you have done a little bit of healing work or spiritual work you realize that there is no difference between that for example if you have no idea what I'm talking about the things that your parents have done to you that they didn't heal now you're doing them to somebody else um or you might even do them to your own parents you might not talk to them or what like anytime you hurt someone there is a way in which it

either comes back later and at the same time you're also hurting yourself in the moment because there's something in your heart that closes so the world is surrounded by it they are everywhere and and then after you start opening up to them you might feel that they are actually a little more real than just a force or than just a thing in our minds it could be simply a form of Consciousness that we cannot see but that we can feel sometimes they show up in the form of thoughts so it's not that it's a Little Red Devil with a trident

you know like in the cartoons but you might you might be having an an a good time and then there is a thought that says like you are a worthless piece of crap and you're like where did that come from and then you start feeling insecure and then you're like are my friends now seeing me that way all like all of that all of those forces are like everywhere at all times so demons can take so many forms so many shapes they can show up in so many ways and the way you I think I maybe

want to give you some space to to see if you want to make a comment or ask something and then I can talk about what do we do about that yeah um I'm just thinking like so you're defining more of the Demons as a Darkness the dark spaces the Dark Inner that's around us sure okay or I would say that the demons is a form of dark of Darkness or a form of dark okay yeah awesome yeah so dive into how people can start to take on these demons you know put on their battle sword

whatever yeah there's one more thing and then I answer to that question and it is that even atheists use that teror a lot of times I have people saying like yeah I'm battling with my own demons they're not meaning it in the same way as I'm talking about now but they basically saying the same thing they're like I'm I am drinking and I can't stop drinking or I have random outbursts of anger and I really mistreat my family I am in therapy for it but I can't control it or I'm having a hard time like I am

battling with my own demons people say where is that coming from why would you mistre your wife why would you drink if you're trying to stop what is pulling you in that okay so this is going to lead us into how to deal with that so as I was mentioning you could give the counterargument that that it is not a demon it is your anger or it is not a demon it is the trauma and the need to numb and that's why you're drinking I'm just like we are not saying different things we're talking about very similar

things yes it's true I'm not going to deny it is the anger that's making you want to take revenge it is the trauma and the need to num that is making you to drink but if you wouldn't have the need to numb then that Force wouldn't be there you wouldn't need to drink so we are not saying different things those things are compatible what I where demons live is within the trauma the anger a really strong Outburst of anger is probably rooted in deep Trauma from childhood when your parents made you do things that made you angry and then you

you couldn't get angry because would get punished or grounded or your dad would tell you don't talk to your father like this you're grounded now so your anger wasn't welcomed that generated some sort of a trauma related to anger so now this what I call an emotional hole is pulling you to get angry at other people and do these things that pole that creates the anger is where the force lives if you don't like call it demon that's fine but that's where the force is coming from that's where the driving power is in I call a demon

also not only because it feels demonic and and dark but it's also easier you know I'm not going to be saying every time the force that goes against your wellbeing is make you do things it's just too long yeah so if you know if we know that demons live within the trauma that when you get into a traumatized State there is an emotional B that gets there and that's where the force lives so then get rid of them is pretty simple it is I mean it's not easy but it's simple and that is to heal the original W and this

is why I always talk about healing work being one of the most important things we could be doing and this is why I'm a fan of these plants and why I serve them because they really facilitate healing so if you learn how to heal the ones that made you one to n or that makes you have random breast of anger or or whatever that is then once that heals like let's say that I like I wasn't loved by my parents I did the necessary process of acceptance of getting angry at them but from the root cause and

finally forgiving them and like there's a whole what I call healing process that you know we can talk about it if you want but it's it's a whole process and you go through it and you come into full peace with that and you're like I'm not I am okay I am in full acceptance with what has happened to me then notice how the drinking goes away without even trying so rather than trying to stop to drink you would not even understand how you could do it before and why is that is because this the emotional PO is healed and thus the

force that lives in it is gone and then you don't need to drink anymore and it was basically the demon making you drink so do some healing and you'll see how a lot of the demons that live in you are going to go away that's amazing yeah I love that I love the way you put that together um and it kind def deeply explained what the demons are they're not you know this scary it's a scary thing but we don't have to be afraid of of this because we have control over it we start the

healing process you process your emotions you start to process through all of this and as you heal the demons start to they have nothing to hold on to correct yeah just remove their rather than trying to get the squatter out of the house just take the whole house out yeah and you mention having control over it and I think this is an important aspect we don't have control over the parts of ourselves that are wanted because the demons take over or these forces take over and you might say well do we have control over at least doing

healing work and the answer is like kind of because you can only do healing work if you're ready if you want let's say that you're listening to this right now somewhere and you're like yeah allthough that sounds nice but I'm going to go I I have more important things to go I need to go make money I need to like all of that all of those thoughts to me are other demons talking to you preventing you from going and doing the most important thing way more important than making money or any other thing because this is going to take them out of there

is these forces their survival mechanism is to do whatever it takes for you to not remove their house so if you're listening to this and you're feeling some resistance to doing healing work or like you're saying like Ah that's just pure crap I don't believe in it all that those are the demons talking so there's something you know you mentioning about having control over it there's something that will give you more control and that is what I call Readiness Readiness to do healing work and that is a combination of a level of awareness this conversation could bring that Readiness

up you know that level of awareness finding the right people you feeling that it is something that you're ready for as it was that day for me that I called into in there was an intuition that said yes go drink I aaska even though it was against everything I believed in those moments are a combination of that and many other things can create a state of Readiness where you're finally ready to go through but uh go through it so until you're ready you still don't have that much control over it listening to a conversation like this one can get you

ready or can get you closer to Readiness so there are many elements that can do that so once you're ready and then once you do the necessary healing yes you're going to be able to have control over those parts of yourself but not over everything an example is I have been doing healing work for a very long time and I did a lot of it and I have taken control over so many aspects of my life and I still see aspects and I can feel I'm being controlled by and I'm like why didn't I take care of that yet after

hundreds of Ceremonies and a decade of healing work and the answer is because I was not ready to attack that yet and sometimes I let's say today I do a ceremony and a new thing shows up and it's like I was finally ready to see that I couldn't have gotten ready without everything else that's why healing is a journey and a path it's not something you do once it's a lifelong journey and so you started today and until the day you die you have to do healing work and it's it's not that you have to that as an obligation it's

something that becomes part of a lifestyle that is awesome it's like a game that you are always playing always getting better at and by every little step that you make in this game you feel better you don't need to reach you don't need to win the game you don't need to be fully healed you don't need to be 90 years old and be like I did 70 years of healing I can finally live every little step you already feel better so I hope that encourages people to to start their their healing path yeah I always say is

you got to take the layers by layers by layers by layers you can't go to the extreme core you know you can't just chop straight into that you got to take the layers off you know you're wasting away the valuable lessons behind behind all of it getting to the the core of it and you're like get there and you're like what do I do with this so it's the it's the L yeah layering I love that love that what you brought that up so kind of as we're wrapping this conversation up what is what do you want

to leave the audience with if you give me a second I see what shows up I I've been much more in touch with intuition so sometimes like what wants to show up

I yeah what's showing up is that life is challenging and also incredibly miraculous and beautiful and I think that it wouldn't be as miraculous and beautiful without the challenges and if you learn to appreciate the miracle that it is that you are a human being for a small period of time able to have awareness and and and know that have a moment in time where you realize you exist and all that it comes with it then the challenges in life become one of the reasons why it's worth living it and becoming uh coming how do you say

um managing to overcome them and the strength and the lessons and the beauty that comes every time that that happens hopefully will help people face the challenge with excitement rather than drag or feeling that it is something that I wish this wouldn't be here and since we were talking about healing and demons this is one of the many and so it's not easy as I mentioned but it is so worth it what else are you going to do are you going to just let it just be that way there's a lot of people that do

that and then they become old and you look at them and it doesn't seem like they have reached old age as it's not something that you look at it and you're like I want to reach old age like that so if you if you have the chance no matter how old you are even if you are reaching old age it's never too late to start and you're going to be really happy that you did so hopefully this conversation got you more ready to keep going forward or at the very start your healing paath oh that was beautiful

words thank you for sharing that and thank you so much for joining us today I've I always learned so much but I love the perceptions that you have and perspectives that you have that you've brought to the table around Medicine around demons around just the healing process before so thank you so much for sharing all of your knowledge with us today thank you Alicia for giving me the chance to talk about it and for creating a space where healing the word of healing can be spread that's the goal here awesome